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digidocs

Joined: 04 Dec 2013
Posts: 59

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:12 pm Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

Hey list,



Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.



Thanks,

David

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:42 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

I have used both the stock push/pull and quadrant cables in at least 15-20 FWF installs and they work. Some argue that some could stand to be a little longer, especially for the quadrant, I think mainly the prop cable, but I don't remember the details. Stock will work, though. 



Jesse Saint

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F: 815-377-3694



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		   On May 12, 2016, at 2:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org> wrote:

 

 Hey list,

 

 Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

 The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.

 

 Thanks,

 David

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 5:35 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

Cable length will depend on whether you stick strictly to the plans, 

whether you use a custom instrument panel, and whether you use stock 

Lycoming ignition and fuel injection or carburetor. Since you are using 

non stock fuel injection and prop governor, you will need to verify 

whether those items change the cable hook ups in any way. Items such as 

air conditioning compressor or different routing of the cables can 

affect length.

I don't know if it makes a difference or not, but the prototype Vans 

built used a narrow deck engine, and any new engine as well as a 

majority of overhauled engines you can buy will be wide deck.

Some have had difficulty in use with stock cables because of 

engine/exhaust heat. Several vendors offer cables with higher heat 

resistance with teflon lining.

On 5/12/2016 4:41 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I have used both the stock push/pull and quadrant cables in at least 15-20 FWF installs and they work. Some argue that some could stand to be a little longer, especially for the quadrant, I think mainly the prop cable, but I don't remember the details. Stock will work, though.

 Jesse Saint

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> On May 12, 2016, at 2:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org> wrote:

>

> Hey list,

>

> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.

>

> Thanks,

> David

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 6:00 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

For push/pull controls the mixture and prop cables work.Â  The Vanâ€™s recommended 47.5â€ throttle cable will, if pulled tight against the bottom of the engine, just fit.

 

A better option for the throttle cable is to get the 50.5â€ cable Vanâ€™s sells for the RV-7. Â That is what Iâ€™m using. 

 

Carl

 

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Subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?



 

Hey list,

 



Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?



The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.



 



Thanks,



David

philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 8:10 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time. 



You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny.   I've bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified.   I've wasted more than a grand trying to get the cables right. 



Just order one and learn your lessons on it.  Then order the other 2. 



Sent from my iPhone



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		   On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org> wrote:

 

 Hey list,

 

 Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

 The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.

 

 Thanks,

 David

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

Strictly a stock build. Mine fit but were tight, I needed to go as direct as possible, not exactly per plans.

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2878

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 8:37 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

That sounds pretty expensive...

My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.

What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14

cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,

and used one of those to mock up the lengths.

If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,

maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get

custom cables.  I'd offer mine, but I already have the

offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to

get a quadrant installed.  Van's in their lack of

execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer

a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting

one installed.  So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying

to help others who want the same thing.

All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one

cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try

anything custom.  But if you can borrow an old cable

from someone, that would save you the headache.

Tim

On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

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 I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.

 You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny.   I've bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified.   I've wasted more than a grand trying to get the cables right.

 Just order one and learn your lessons on it.  Then order the other 2.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org> wrote:

>

> Hey list,

>

> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.

>

> Thanks,

> David

bdgillespie215(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:12 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

As it turns out it I have a complete set ofÂ whatÂ I think are theÂ "original cables" here at the house. They turned out to be short for me and I ordered new custom cables. If you want to check them out, e-mail me off line and I can ship them out to you. If they work out length wise, I can make you a real good deal...

The cables are marked ACS Products Co. Inc:

Mixture(Red)Â Â A-1760-20-0515-V & Van's tag CT RED VMIXTURE 51.5

Prop (Blue)Â  A-1760-30-0725-V

Throttle (Black)Â  A-800BL0475-V

Byron

N253RV

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 That sounds pretty expensive...

 My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.

 

 What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14

 cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,

 and used one of those to mock up the lengths.

 

 If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,

 maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get

 custom cables.Â  I'd offer mine, but I already have the

 offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to

 get a quadrant installed.Â  Van's in their lack of

 execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer

 a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting

 one installed.Â  So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying

 to help others who want the same thing.

 

 All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one

 cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try

 anything custom.Â  But if you can borrow an old cable

 from someone, that would save you the headache.

 Tim

 

 

 On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

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 I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.

 

 You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny.Â  Â I've bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified.Â  Â I've wasted more than a grand trying to get the cables right.

 

 Just order one and learn your lessons on it.Â  Then order the other 2.

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

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		   On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org (junk(at)dcarr.org)> wrote:

 

 Hey list,

 

 Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

 The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.

 

 Thanks,

 David

 	
 

 

 	
 

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philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:31 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

I went with the McFarlane cables using the hi-temp sleeves.   $250/each.



And if they need to be modified its between $100-$150 depending on the modification requested. 



Painful to experience. 



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		   On May 12, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 That sounds pretty expensive...

 My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.

 

 What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14

 cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,

 and used one of those to mock up the lengths.

 

 If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,

 maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get

 custom cables.  I'd offer mine, but I already have the

 offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to

 get a quadrant installed.  Van's in their lack of

 execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer

 a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting

 one installed.  So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying

 to help others who want the same thing.

 

 All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one

 cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try

 anything custom.  But if you can borrow an old cable

 from someone, that would save you the headache.

 Tim

 

 

> On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

> 

> 

> I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.

> 

> You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny.   I've bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified.   I've wasted more than a grand trying to get the cables right.

> 

> Just order one and learn your lessons on it.  Then order the other 2.

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

>> On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org> wrote:

>> 

>> Hey list,

>> 

>> Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

>> The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.

>> 

>> Thanks,

>> David

digidocs

Joined: 04 Dec 2013
Posts: 59

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 9:42 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

Byron,



That sounds great!Â  I'll send you a note off-list shortly.

Thanks also to everyone for the advice thus far---wish I had signed up for the Matronics list sooner.

David



On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Byron Gillespie <bdgillespie215(at)gmail.com (bdgillespie215(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  As it turns out it I have a complete set ofÂ whatÂ I think are theÂ "original cables" here at the house. They turned out to be short for me and I ordered new custom cables. If you want to check them out, e-mail me off line and I can ship them out to you. If they work out length wise, I can make you a real good deal...

The cables are marked ACS Products Co. Inc:

Mixture(Red)Â Â A-1760-20-0515-V & Van's tag CT RED VMIXTURE 51.5

Prop (Blue)Â  A-1760-30-0725-V

Throttle (Black)Â  A-800BL0475-V

Byron

N253RV

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 That sounds pretty expensive...

 My cables for the -14 are slightly shorter but they only cost me $70 each.

 

 What I did find was very helpful was that I used my old RV-14

 cables that had gotten stiff and ruined from heat and time,

 and used one of those to mock up the lengths.

 

 If there is another RV-10 builder who has an old cable around,

 maybe they can be talked into sending it to you if you get

 custom cables.Â  I'd offer mine, but I already have the

 offer open to other RV-14 builders who may need them to

 get a quadrant installed.Â  Van's in their lack of

 execution on the RV-14, hasn't yet even begun offer

 a quadrant on the RV-14, or even assistance in getting

 one installed.Â  So mine is a D-I-Y install and I'm trying

 to help others who want the same thing.

 

 All in all, I do think Phil gave great advice...order one

 cable, the longest one, first, if you're going to try

 anything custom.Â  But if you can borrow an old cable

 from someone, that would save you the headache.

 Tim

 

 

 On 5/12/2016 11:02 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

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		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

 

 I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.

 

 You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny.Â  Â I've bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified.Â  Â I've wasted more than a grand trying to get the cables right.

 

 Just order one and learn your lessons on it.Â  Then order the other 2.

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

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		   On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org (junk(at)dcarr.org)> wrote:

 

 Hey list,

 

 Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required?

 The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.

 

 Thanks,

 David

 	
 

 

 	
 

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

David,



My quadrant cables are coming out this week for replacement for higher temp versions. If you want one or all for measurement purposes you're welcome to have them. They are longer than the standard lengths Van's gives you, because I have my quadrant on the center console behind the fuel selector.



Lenny

digidocs

Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 1:13 pm Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

Lenny,



Thanks for the kind offer.Â  For now, I'm going the push-pull route, but I do appreciate it.

David

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com (lenard(at)rapiddecision.com)> wrote:

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 David,

 

 My quadrant cables are coming out this week for replacement for higher temp versions. If you want one or all for measurement purposes you're welcome to have them. They are longer than the standard lengths Van's gives you, because I have my quadrant on the center console behind the fuel selector.

 

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 1:41 pm Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

HI Lenny



I need to get some longer cables made, where can you recommend to get this done please?



Warm regards



Patrick Pulis

Adelaide

South Australia



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		   On 13 May 2016, at 05:37, Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 David,

 

 My quadrant cables are coming out this week for replacement for higher temp versions. If you want one or all for measurement purposes you're welcome to have them. They are longer than the standard lengths Van's gives you, because I have my quadrant on the center console behind the fuel selector.

 

 Lenny

 

 

 

 

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partner14

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Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 3:51 pm Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

Check out 



California Push-Pull, Inc.



 philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>  I'll add that if you get custom cables made for your chosen routes, only order 1 first and make all your learning curve advancements on the 1st cable and not all 3 (or more) at the same time.  You'll save so much money in the long term it's not even funny.   I've bought about 5 cables now and had 3 of those modified.   I've wasted more than a grand trying to get the cables right.  Just order one and learn your lessons on it.  Then order the other 2.  Sent from my iPhone   	  Quote: 	
		   On May 12, 2016, at 1:10 AM, David Carr <junk(at)dcarr.org (junk(at)dcarr.org)> wrote:  Hey list,  Are Van's stock control cables the correct length or are custom lengths required? The FF setup is C4B5, Airflow FM-150A, PCU5000X, and firewall penetrations in the factory locations.  Thanks, David 	
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Lenny Iszak

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

I'm getting them from www.push-pull.com but local CableCraft suppliers should be able to do it. If you have one of those in Australia it might make it easier for you.



The model number is 176-VTT-2-57, where 2 is the throw, 57 is the length.



Lenny

Lenny Iszak

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 270

Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

Woah, www.push-pull.com is awesome! Ordered custom cables on Monday morning, today it's Wednesday and they just arrived!



Lenny

Tim Olson

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 3:40 pm Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

On my cables too they quoted me 2-3 days in house to make them

and then the shipping time.  In reality they shipped either

the same day I called the order in, or the next morning.

But it was much ahead of schedule.

Good to work with.

Tim



On 5/18/2016 3:20 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:

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 Woah, www.push-pull.com is awesome! Ordered custom cables on Monday morning, today it's Wednesday and they just arrived!



 Lenny

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 2:27 am Post subject: Throttle, mixture, prop cable lengths?

I had the same experience - awesome.  

       

       My Vans stock cables were installed and flown successfully but       chafed over 350 hours.  Replaced with higher temp, slightly longer       cables from these guys and all is fine so far at 700 hours.

       

       See this       log entry and next       for details.  Price = $225 shipped in 2013.

       

       Bill "happily returning from Europe where I saw <6 light       aircraft flying in 3 weeks" Watson

       

     

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Woah, www.push-pull.com is awesome! Ordered custom cables on Monday morning, today it's Wednesday and they just arrived!



Lenny





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