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billhuntersemail(at)gmail
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 9:00 pm Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

The other big wiring project I have is to connect the starter wire to the momentary contact switch is at the base of the infinity grip.  

Someone said that I should use a diode and somebody else said that I should incorporate a relay into the system however the manufacturer said that the switch he uses is sufficient for a starter circuit.  

Has anybody run sort of arrangement?  

I have a Lycoming IO - 540 engine with a skytec starter motor. 

THANKS AGAIN!!!  

Bill Hunter

Dave Saylor

Joined: 11 Jan 2015
Posts: 210
Location: GILROY, CA

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 9:26 pm Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

I work next door to a radio shop and since IÂ have an experientalÂ I hear all the experimental gripes. Recently they were doing radio workÂ on an RV. The builder put aÂ starter switch on the stick. It was unmarked and they inadvertently pushed it, with nearly disastrous results. Sorry I don't mean to change subjects but please make sure it's well marked and obvious--ya never know who's gonna push what buttons.Â 



Good news is I think they're more careful now 

-Dave



On Sunday, May 22, 2016, William Hunter <billhuntersemail(at)gmail.com (billhuntersemail(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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The other big wiring project I have is to connect the starter wire to the momentary contact switch is at the base of the infinity grip.  

Someone said that I should use a diode and somebody else said that I should incorporate a relay into the system however the manufacturer said that the switch he uses is sufficient for a starter circuit.  

Has anybody run sort of arrangement?  

I have a Lycoming IO - 540 engine with a skytec starter motor. 

THANKS AGAIN!!!  

Bill Hunter

_________________
--Dave
KWVI

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

At 12:25 AM 5/23/2016, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I work next door to a radio shop and since IÂ have an experientalÂ I hear all the experimental gripes. Recently they were doing radio workÂ on an RV. The builder put aÂ starter switch on the stick. It was unmarked and they inadvertently pushed it, with nearly disastrous results. Sorry I don't mean to change subjects but please make sure it's well marked and obvious--ya never know who's gonna push what buttons.Â 	


   Better yet . . . don't do that. Probably a million

   airplanes have been produced were the starter controls

   were NOT on the stick . . . or anywhere else that

   could be inadvertently operated . . .that issue

   has never bubbled up as a human-factors 'problem'

   to be fixed.



   But more importantly, the FURTHER your airplane

   departs from historic configurations, the greater

   the risk for bad results from common assumptions.



 

 

   Bob . . .

billhuntersemail(at)gmail
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 6:41 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

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		    Better yet . . . don't do that. Probably a million

  airplanes have been produced were the starter controls
	


  were NOT on the stick . . . or anywhere else that

  could be inadvertently operated . . .that issue

  has never bubbled up as a human-factors 'problem'

  to be fixed.

 

Hmmm…good advice.  I did think the idea was a bit odd.  Better go back to the old push button…I might could use that button for another purpose…what do you think about using it for the ejection seat or drag chute features I am incorporating…what could possibly go wrong?!?!?

 

THANKS Bob and All for your kind feedback/suggestions!!!

 

..

 

Cheers!!!

 

Bill  Hunter

408-464-1902



 

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 7:27 AM

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Subject: Re: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

 

At 12:25 AM 5/23/2016, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

I work next door to a radio shop and since IÂ have an experientalÂ I hear all the experimental gripes. Recently they were doing radio workÂ on an RV. The builder put aÂ starter switch on the stick. It was unmarked and they inadvertently pushed it, with nearly disastrous results. Sorry I don't mean to change subjects but please make sure it's well marked and obvious--ya never know who's gonna push what buttons.Â 	




  Better yet . . . don't do that. Probably a million

  airplanes have been produced were the starter controls

  were NOT on the stick . . . or anywhere else that

  could be inadvertently operated . . .that issue

  has never bubbled up as a human-factors 'problem'

  to be fixed.



  But more importantly, the FURTHER your airplane

  departs from historic configurations, the greater

  the risk for bad results from common assumptions.





  Bob . . .

donjohnston

Joined: 13 Dec 2009
Posts: 231

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

I have an infinity stick as well.  And never, ever considered putting the starter switch on the stick.  I have assigned every switch on the stick to be only something that I would use while the aircraft is in motion to reduce the number of times I would have to remove my hand from the stick. 



Here's my list:



PTT

Com radio swap

transponder ident

EFIS page flip

AP Engage

Trim



Starter, fuel pump, etc., are typically used once from startup to shutdown.  In my book, that makes them impractical for the stick.

rossmickey(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:06 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

Ditto on Infinity.  Here is my set-up



PTT

Coolie hat aileron/elevator trim

Flaps (momentary down, hard up to dump flaps with one motion)

EFIS page flip

AP Engage

Intercom/radio re-play (the radio automatically records)



Ross

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billhuntersemail(at)gmail
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:16 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

Thanks Don... good stuff.  

I pretty much have the same switch assignment on my Aero Grip.  

I hate having a switch installed in the airplane that does not do something... now that I eliminated the starter feature perhaps I could assign that switch to something already installed in the airplane like the taxi light, seat vibratory massage, satcom internet, or the disco ball motor... or... I guess I will have to dream up some new feature to add to the airplane so that the switch can actually do something.  

THANKS AGAIN!!!  

Bill Hunter  On May 24, 2016 6:27 PM, "donjohnston" <don(at)velocity-xl.com (don(at)velocity-xl.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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 I have an infinity stick as well.Â  And never, ever considered putting the starter switch on the stick.Â  I have assigned every switch on the stick to be only something that I would use while the aircraft is in motion to reduce the number of times I would have to remove my hand from the stick.

 

 Here's my list:

 

 PTT

 Com radio swap

 transponder ident

 EFIS page flip

 AP Engage

 Trim

 

 Starter, fuel pump, etc., are typically used once from startup to shutdown.Â  In my book, that makes them impractical for the stick.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:18 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

No disco ball... really... kinda minimalist?!?  

What is the EFIS page advance feature we (you all) speak of?  

Bill Hunter  On May 25, 2016 11:13 AM, "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)>

 

 Ditto on Infinity.Â  Here is my set-up

 

 PTT

 Coolie hat aileron/elevator trim

 Flaps (momentary down, hard up to dump flaps with one motion)

 EFIS page flip

 AP Engage

 Intercom/radio re-play (the radio automatically records)

 

 Ross

 

 

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rossmickey(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

The Grand Rapids Technology Engine Monitor has different engine analysis displayed on different â€œpagesâ€ which are actually what is being seen on the screen.Â  I should have said EIS page flip rather than EFIS page flip.

 

http://www.grtavionics.com/eis4000.html

 

Ross

 

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Hunter

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:17 AM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

 

No disco ball... really... kinda minimalist?!? 

What is the EFIS page advance feature we (you all) speak of? 

Bill Hunter 

On May 25, 2016 11:13 AM, "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote]

--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)>



Ditto on Infinity.  Here is my set-up



PTT

Coolie hat aileron/elevator trim

Flaps (momentary down, hard up to dump flaps with one motion)

EFIS page flip

AP Engage

Intercom/radio re-play (the radio automatically records)



Ross

--

billhuntersemail(at)gmail
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

Got it...  

Bill Hunter  On May 25, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote]

The Grand Rapids Technology Engine Monitor has different engine analysis displayed on different â€œpagesâ€ which are actually what is being seen on the screen.Â  I should have said EIS page flip rather than EFIS page flip.

Â 

http://www.grtavionics.com/eis4000.html

Â 

Ross

Â 

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Hunter

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:17 AM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: RE: Re: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

Â 

No disco ball... really... kinda minimalist?!? 

What is the EFIS page advance feature we (you all) speak of? 

Bill Hunter 

On May 25, 2016 11:13 AM, "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote]

--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)>



Ditto on Infinity.Â  Here is my set-up



PTT

Coolie hat aileron/elevator trim

Flaps (momentary down, hard up to dump flaps with one motion)

EFIS page flip

AP Engage

Intercom/radio re-play (the radio automatically records)



Ross

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donjohnston

Joined: 13 Dec 2009
Posts: 231

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

 	  billhuntersemail(at)gmail wrote: 	
		  What is the EFIS page advance feature we (you all) speak of?  	




The HX series have a number of "pages". PFD, Engine, Map, etc. There is a "page flip" function where pressing a switch will cause the page to toggle between PFD and Map screen.  



So while you're flying along, hit the "page" button on the stick and the screen changes to a full screen map.  Hit the button again, and it goes back to the PFD.

gilles.thesee(at)free.fr
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 1:07 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

Le 25/05/2016 à           19:31, Ross Home a écrit :

         

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		          	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net> (rossmickey(at)comcast.net)



Ditto on Infinity.  Here is my set-up



PTT

Coolie hat aileron/elevator trim

Flaps (momentary down, hard up to dump flaps with one motion)

	
     	
     Hi all,

     

     Some years ago a homebuilder installed a flap button on top of his     sticks on his MCR Sporster two seater.

     One day his wife inadvertently hit the button with her map and     retracted the flaps during takeoff...

     He told us the recovery involved quite a bit of the "bag of luck"     any pilot starts his flying life with.

     

     -- 

     Best regards,

       Gilles

       http://contrails.free.fr

       http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

rossmickey(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 7:26 am Post subject: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

I only have one Infinity grip.  The passenger stick (when installed) has no functions.  The PTT for the passenger is located at the far forward portion of the armrest.  It would be very difficult for the passenger to inadvertently touch the pilots Infinity.  Also, having the flap switch on the Infinity be a momentary switch for extending the flaps makes inadvertent hits by the pilot a non-event.  This would also be difficult as this switch is on top far right.

 

 

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Ross

 

 

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GTH

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:03 AM

To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Infinity Aero Grip and Starter Switch

 

Le 25/05/2016 à 19:31, Ross Home a écrit :

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		   	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ross Home" <rossmickey(at)comcast.net> (rossmickey(at)comcast.net) Ditto on Infinity.  Here is my set-up PTTCoolie hat aileron/elevator trimFlaps (momentary down, hard up to dump flaps with one motion) 	
	


Hi all,



Some years ago a homebuilder installed a flap button on top of his sticks on his MCR Sporster two seater.

One day his wife inadvertently hit the button with her map and retracted the flaps during takeoff...

He told us the recovery involved quite a bit of the "bag of luck" any pilot starts his flying life with.



-- 

Best regards,

Gilles

http://contrails.free.fr

http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr

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