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Herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:36 am Post subject: HKS engine

Larry and anyone else who knows about HKS engines



    Did an impulse buy a few days ago....Sent deposit...on an Rans 

S-14...with HKS engine and three blade powefin...  Clio,Michigan....



    the engine has 80 hours...but in my haste did not get the sn...which 

could have told me if it is a 500 hour or an 1000 hour engine!!  

Wondering what the difference could be?  Heads ? rings? Valve guides and 

seals?



     I thought I could sell the engine for nearly what I have in the 

whole contraption... or put the engine on a Firestar 1...install a 503 

on the Rans...etc....It is fully registered..so not so sure about engine 

swaps...?  Herb

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:22 am Post subject: HKS engine

I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the extended rebuild time was more through experience with the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry (at) Greensky could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good guy!



I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.

I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce their liability.

Larry





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    Did an impulse buy a few days ago....Sent deposit...on an Rans S-14...with HKS engine and three blade powefin...  Clio,Michigan....

 

    the engine has 80 hours...but in my haste did not get the sn...which could have told me if it is a 500 hour or an 1000 hour engine!!  Wondering what the difference could be?  Heads ? rings? Valve guides and seals?

 

     I thought I could sell the engine for nearly what I have in the whole contraption... or put the engine on a Firestar 1...install a 503 on the Rans...etc....It is fully registered..so not so sure about engine swaps...?  Herb

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:28 am Post subject: HKS engine

Thanks Larry



   I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will 

continue to look for a Firestar 1....



    right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I 

bought the plane...



   Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...



Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep 

Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and 

replace two of the 4 tires...



   always something!! Herb



On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the 

 extended rebuild time was more through experience with the engines 

 rather than any improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went 

 up without any one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry (at) Greensky 

 could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good guy!



 I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the 

 log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not 

 sell the HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you 

 want to keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and 

 quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three 

 blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its 

 also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.



 I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it 

 is performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't 

 care what the company feels would reduce their liability.



 Larry

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:53 am Post subject: HKS engine

Herb, One thing you can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine, it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz. per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed by doing this.You also might want to look at the throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle. Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks, instead.

Last, to protect the gear box, always cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut down.

It's a really great engine.

Rick Girard





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 Thanks Larry

 

   I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1....

 

    right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that is why I bought the plane...

 

   Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...

 

 Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires...

 

   always something!! Herb

 

 On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		   I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that the extended rebuild time was more through experience with the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry (at) Greensky could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good guy!

 

 I would also think that you would only have to enter the change in the log book and fly off a probationary period. Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.

 

 I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce their liability.

 

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:09 am Post subject: HKS engine

Fill it up with gas, climb in, point the nose towards Kentucky, and fly it home.



Airplanes are made to fly, not ride around on a trailer.  



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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:04 am Post subject: HKS engine

THANK YOU Rick, I am very appreciative to hear about any experience and knowledge pertaining to the HKS. 



I bought a used HKS 700e for my Firestar project. I may even buy a flying Firestar (want to fly STOL sooner!!!) and the HKS would be put on that if I got it. 



As I have mentioned previously, the stakes for engine reliability are higher i the area where I will be operating this aircraft than most other Firestar owners.

Bill Berle

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 Subject: Re: HKS engine

 To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Monday, June 27, 2016, 10:52 AM

 

 Herb, One thing you

 can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have

 the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it

 won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine,

 it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle

 out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting

 fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to

 protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting

 yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly

 sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers

 EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To

 protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz.

 per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of

 problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed

 by doing this.You also might want to look at the

 throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable

 throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle.

 Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council

 Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable

 where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks,

 instead.Last, to protect the gear box, always

 cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut

 down.It's a really great engine.

 Rick Girard

 

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 at 12:25 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>

 wrote:

 

 Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>

 

 

 

 Thanks Larry

 

 

 

   I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but

 likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1....

 

 

 

    right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that

 is why I bought the plane...

 

 

 

   Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...

 

 

 

 Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear

 of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease

 bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires...

 

 

 

   always something!! Herb

 

 

 

 On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

 

 

 I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that

 the extended rebuild time was more through experience with

 the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that

 my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to

 improve them. Jerry (at) Greensky could give you the definitive

 answer, and he is a good guy!

 

 

 

 I would also think that you would only have to enter the

 change in the log book and fly off a probationary period.

 Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all

 means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three

 gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a

 two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three

 blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right

 rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.

 

 

 

 I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild

 when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the

 risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce

 their liability.

 

 

 

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject: HKS engine

Good info...I will save all the comments in a word file... 

     

     There may be an HKS group at  yahoo ?  Herb 

     

     On 06/27/2016 12:52 PM, Richard Girard       wrote:

     

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		         Herb, One thing you can check is to see if the         carbs have been changed to have the needle clip in the fourth         (top) groove. While it won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000         hr TBO engine, it's a good indication. Now, while you have the         needle out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting         fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to protect         the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting yourself in the         foot to see if your pistol is properly sighted in. Leaning out         the mixture in the midrange lowers EGT and improves fuel economy         by about a gallon per hour. To protect the valve guide I premix         MMO at one and a half oz. per gallon. Over 300 hours on my         engine and no sign of problems. Note that the full throttle         mixture is not changed by doing this.         You also might want to look at the throttle linkage. The           HKS comes with motorcycle style cable throttles, i.e. if the           cable breaks the carb goes to idle. Rotax has the linkage           parts (or the Bing Agency in Council Groves, KS) to change it           over to an aircraft style cable where the throttle goes to           full if the cable breaks, instead.

         Last, to protect the gear box, always cool the engine to           below 250 degrees before shut down.

         It's a really great engine.

         

         

         Rick Girard

         

         

       

       

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                          Thanks Larry

             

               I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but             likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1....

             

                right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that             is why I bought the plane...

             

               Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...

             

             Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear             of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease             bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires...

             

               always something!! Herb

               

               On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

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		                   I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe                 that the extended rebuild time was more through                 experience with the engines rather than any improvement                 of them. I know that my rebuild time went up without any                 one doing any thing to improve them. Jerry (at) Greensky                 could give you the definitive answer, and he is a good                 guy!

                 

                 I would also think that you would only have to enter the                 change in the log book and fly off a probationary                 period. Personally I would not sell the HKS with the                 plane, by all means put it on the plane that you want to                 keep. Three gallons per hour, increase in speed, range                 and quiet. Put a two blade warp on it however. I ruined                 one of the three blade IVO trying to put enough twist in                 it to get the right rpm. Its also very nice not having                 to mix oil with the gas.

                 

                 I personally am not going to send an engine in for a                 rebuild when it is performing as it should. I am willing                 to take the risk. I don't care what the company feels                 would reduce their liability.

                 

                 Larry

                 

               	
               

               

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:10 pm Post subject: HKS engine

With all of the preparation for the trip...it would be a lot more simple 

to do just that.....however....zero time in type...not going to fly 

anywhere but the circuit at the local airport for couple of hours...



    The wing tanks are large...9.5 gals each?   That would be close to a 

non stop ride... ?

    got me thinking however!!  hmmm....



On 06/27/2016 01:09 PM, John Hauck wrote:

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 Fill it up with gas, climb in, point the nose towards Kentucky, and fly it home.



 Airplanes are made to fly, not ride around on a trailer.  



 john h

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:21 pm Post subject: HKS engine

We have only one HKS in our group so our experience is limited. MMO is probably a good idea. I think one carb would be another one. The pulse pump (factory) is uncheap!! It also won't supply the engine at high power settings. An aux pump is a necessity. Our egt's went up as it leaned, but it has been a solid performer 



Sent from my iPhone



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		   On Jun 27, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 THANK YOU Rick, I am very appreciative to hear about any experience and knowledge pertaining to the HKS. 

 

 I bought a used HKS 700e for my Firestar project. I may even buy a flying Firestar (want to fly STOL sooner!!!) and the HKS would be put on that if I got it. 

 

 As I have mentioned previously, the stakes for engine reliability are higher i the area where I will be operating this aircraft than most other Firestar owners.

 

 

 Bill Berle

 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

 

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 On Mon, 6/27/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 Subject: Re: HKS engine

 To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Monday, June 27, 2016, 10:52 AM

 

 Herb, One thing you

 can check is to see if the carbs have been changed to have

 the needle clip in the fourth (top) groove. While it

 won't guarantee that the engine is a 1000 hr TBO engine,

 it's a good indication. Now, while you have the needle

 out, move the clip to the second groove to stop wasting

 fuel. The rationale for richening up the midrange is to

 protect the exhaust valve guide. A bit like shooting

 yourself in the foot to see if your pistol is properly

 sighted in. Leaning out the mixture in the midrange lowers

 EGT and improves fuel economy by about a gallon per hour. To

 protect the valve guide I premix MMO at one and a half oz.

 per gallon. Over 300 hours on my engine and no sign of

 problems. Note that the full throttle mixture is not changed

 by doing this.You also might want to look at the

 throttle linkage. The HKS comes with motorcycle style cable

 throttles, i.e. if the cable breaks the carb goes to idle.

 Rotax has the linkage parts (or the Bing Agency in Council

 Groves, KS) to change it over to an aircraft style cable

 where the throttle goes to full if the cable breaks,

 instead.Last, to protect the gear box, always

 cool the engine to below 250 degrees before shut

 down.It's a really great engine.

 Rick Girard

 

 On Mon, Jun 27, 2016

 at 12:25 PM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>

 wrote:

 

 Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>

 

 

 

 Thanks Larry

 

 

 

   I will put some hours on the plane this summer....but

 likely will continue to look for a Firestar 1....

 

 

 

    right...the engine is a keeper.... and as I said...that

 is why I bought the plane...

 

 

 

   Now to get it from Michigan to South Cent. Ky...

 

 

 

 Spending the day replacing rotors,calipers and pads on rear

 of my Jeep Grand Cherokee..next onto the trailer to grease

 bearings, fix wiring and replace two of the 4 tires...

 

 

 

   always something!! Herb

 

 

 

 On 06/27/2016 11:20 AM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

 

 

 I can only tell you what I think, not prove. I believe that

 the extended rebuild time was more through experience with

 the engines rather than any improvement of them. I know that

 my rebuild time went up without any one doing any thing to

 improve them. Jerry (at) Greensky could give you the definitive

 answer, and he is a good guy!

 

 

 

 I would also think that you would only have to enter the

 change in the log book and fly off a probationary period.

 Personally I would not sell the HKS with the plane, by all

 means put it on the plane that you want to keep. Three

 gallons per hour, increase in speed, range and quiet. Put a

 two blade warp on it however. I ruined one of the three

 blade IVO trying to put enough twist in it to get the right

 rpm. Its also very nice not having to mix oil with the gas.

 

 

 

 I personally am not going to send an engine in for a rebuild

 when it is performing as it should. I am willing to take the

 risk. I don't care what the company feels would reduce

 their liability.

 

 

 

 Larry

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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