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Curt_B
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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:23 pm Post subject: M-14P for sale |
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Running when removed for oil leak. 779 TTSN
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Curt_B
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| Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: M-14P for sale |
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Some joker hijacked my ad by posting a duplicate with the same title claiming that these engines are bad and throw rods. Not to mention sabotaging my effort to find a good place for this engine that I have for sale. Then, after the damage is done by his false statement, claims that he was joking. I imagine he's thinking that this will cover him legally, so he must have gotten into trouble before. Never met the guy, have no idea what he has against these engines, so please religate him to the trash pile. I've operated two of these engines now and have nothing but praise for them.
I responded to a legitimate question on his counterfeit post that anyone interested would like to see answered here. So I've copied the question, and response here.
The leak is between the blower and the power section. A couple of studs wouldn't take torque. Pulled the engine to replace the studs and found a zero time one in the meantime. Our metallurgist said the studs failed in fatigue.
Q: Fatigue or over torqued?
Yes, it is an outstanding engine.
R: Fatigued. The metallurgist showed the striation propagation, crack growth, typical of fatigue. The stud elongation caused it to lose torque. When I went to re-torque to stop the oil leak, the remaining 5-10 percent of the intact cross sectional area failed. Looked at the break, didn't see the tattletale 45 deg fracture typical of torsion failure and asked the metallurgist. He said the fatigue occurred over a significant amount of time. Thanks.
Why are these clowns around on here, causing extra effort for a simple ad.
Do Y'all have an avenue to filter these trouble makers out.
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fishmouth500
Joined: 07 Apr 2015
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Location: Southern California
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:31 am Post subject: M-14P for sale |
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On Friday, July 1, 2016, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)> wrote:
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <[url=javascript:;]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil[/url]>
Curt,
I am starting to honestly believe you are talking about me.  If you are, I never "hijacked your add".  You posted an engine for sale with an oil leak.  I asked where the oil leak was.  In a later message I said it was important to know that, as an oil leak it could be from a rod broken poking through a hole in the block, hence an oil leak. That was what is called a "tongue in cheek" statement.  In the off chance that someone would think I was serious, I then posted in another message that what I said was meant as humor.
So if in fact you are referring to that thread, get over it dude. On this list people who have been here for DECADES know each other and occasional joke around. It is called having fun.  It was not meant to be having fun AT YOUR EXPENSE!
Bottom line, you put an engine up for sale, and mentioned "pulled for an oil leak" and left it at that. You eventually mention that it was an oil leak from a Supercharger section due to studs failing under load as determined by a metallurgist.  Good for you.
I have no doubt of your honesty, I have no doubt the engine can be repaired, but candidly, the repair effort requires more than fixing what initially was just "an oil leak".  It now means replacing all the studs on the supercharger section and reassembling the engine. In most cases this means a repair center, or a very good mechanic. With that level of effort, personally I would just use the engine as a core and have it totally overhauled, but that is just me.
No need to refer to me as "that guy". My name is Mark Bitterlich, I never posted a "duplicate" and I never said these engines are bad and throw rods. However, if you want to discuss that subject, the fact is that these engines DO THROW RODS, normally after a hydraulic lock where they get BENT when someone tries to start one without first getting the oil out. It has happened MANY MANY times. Anyone with an radial engine knows about this ... or should.  And .... they create a heck of an oil leak. Hence the joke.
I have no problem with you selling your engine here, and I hope you find an interested buyer. But since I have not seen you on this list before a few weeks ago, you might consider not putting words in people's mouths, and then complaining about things they never said.
Again, I am personally sorry for getting your feathers in an uproar, now please move on and sell your engine ... which by the way I was interested in, but not anymore.  And yes, I think the world of these engines too, which anyone who knows me realized decades ago.
r/s,
Mark Bitterlich
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Curt_B
Joined: 17 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: M-14P for sale |
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Geez, now this guy's on my post claiming this engine's a core, sight unseen. Can someone tell me how to delete this ad so no one is unduly influenced by this guy's remarks while I try to sell it elsewhere? It's obvious that no one will be interested in it now. Thanks. Sorry about that, was hoping some hands-on kid would see this as an economical way to move up a level.
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McFly
Joined: 21 May 2012
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: M-14P for sale |
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No one is hijacking your ad. Mark is a long time poster and is invariably very helpful to those needing it. He gave you his opinion; that's all.
This is a message board / email list. The original message is often included in replies.
The clarification on why the engine was leaking is helpful.
As a suggestion you may also want to include things like last compression check, total hours, hours since major overhaul, and hours since top overhaul, storage condition, location, and price.
I believe you would need to log into the web version of this in order to delete your post but I am not sure that is even possible.
Good luck on the sale. I'm sure this has all just been a misunderstanding.
Todd McCutchanT-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com)
www.fastaircraft.com
On Jul 1, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Curt_B <cbbur(at)earthlink.net (cbbur(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:
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Fast Aircraft
T-34A - N134FA
KDVT Hangar 33-13
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Curt_B
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: M-14P for sale |
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All the same, it's at my, and the benefactor of this engine's, expense. I'd like this thread, and his thread, deleted. Thanks, Curt
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