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Top Ace

Joined: 07 Jun 2016
Posts: 25
Location: Montreal, Canada

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:30 am Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

New CJ owner, looking for knowledgeable advice, this engine has been using the Phillips 25w-60, which is still being run on today,,, due to not easy access of this oil, I want to change it over to the Shell W100 Plus which is stock in my area,, which I can read that many of you are using,,, 

My main question is just draining the oil tank, and cooler, and filter, enough to be emptied out of the old W25-60, then filled with the new shell W100 and run with it. Or

more I think of it,,,would it be advisable to run it maybe 5 to 10 hrs, and drain it again to clear up any remainder w25-60,,, any suggestions or better to tell me what i should do, ,  would be appreciated, thanks David

hess737(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

David

I would not worry about a little of the old oil being in the engine. You'll get rid of most of it with an oil change and normal service replacement. 



Richard Hess

C 404-964-4885



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		   On Jul 18, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Top Ace <topacedave(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 New CJ owner, looking for knowledgeable advice, this engine has been using the Phillips 25w-60, which is still being run on today,,, due to not easy access of this oil, I want to change it over to the Shell W100 Plus which is stock in my area,, which I can read that many of you are using,,, 

 My main question is just draining the oil tank, and cooler, and filter, enough to be emptied out of the old W25-60, then filled with the new shell W100 and run with it. Or

 more I think of it,,,would it be advisable to run it maybe 5 to 10 hrs, and drain it again to clear up any remainder w25-60,,, any suggestions or better to tell me what i should do, ,  would be appreciated, thanks David

 

 

 

 

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Top Ace

Joined: 07 Jun 2016
Posts: 25
Location: Montreal, Canada

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

Richard, 

Best to ask, Terry on this site said the same thing, made different oil brand changes to other aviation engines, Big But''  its my first radial, and like any good student, ask first, thanks for the advice, David

Viperdoc

Joined: 19 Apr 2014
Posts: 484
Location: 08A

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:06 pm Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

Go on line to the oil store.com. You can order all the cases of 25W-60 you want. Delivered to your back door. 

Doc



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		   On Jul 18, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Top Ace <topacedave(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 New CJ owner, looking for knowledgeable advice, this engine has been using the Phillips 25w-60, which is still being run on today,,, due to not easy access of this oil, I want to change it over to the Shell W100 Plus which is stock in my area,, which I can read that many of you are using,,, 

 My main question is just draining the oil tank, and cooler, and filter, enough to be emptied out of the old W25-60, then filled with the new shell W100 and run with it. Or

 more I think of it,,,would it be advisable to run it maybe 5 to 10 hrs, and drain it again to clear up any remainder w25-60,,, any suggestions or better to tell me what i should do, ,  would be appreciated, thanks David

 

 

 

 

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wlannon(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:07 pm Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

No need to do any of that.  Phillips 25W60 is a mineral oil and is fully 

compatible with Aeroshell W100 or W120.



Walt



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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:49 pm Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

I agree with Walt.  Just change out the oil on your next oil  change.  You can drain your cooler too, IF you want but you don't need  too.  I've always used W100 or W120.  Each time I've used 25W60,  I get oil leaks.  And it seem to come from every where on the engine.   I do not know why.

 Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

  

  In a message dated 7/18/2016 11:07:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  wlannon(at)shaw.ca writes:

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No    need to do any of that.  Phillips 25W60 is a mineral oil and is fully    

compatible with Aeroshell W100 or W120.



Walt



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From: Top Ace

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To:    yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to    Shell W100Plus



--> Yak-List message posted by: "Top Ace"    <topacedave(at)gmail.com>



New CJ owner, looking for knowledgeable    advice, this engine has been using 

the Phillips 25w-60, which is still    being run on today,,, due to not easy 

access of this oil, I want to change    it over to the Shell W100 Plus which is 

stock in my area,, which I can    read that many of you are using,,,

My main question is just draining the    oil tank, and cooler, and filter, 

enough to be emptied out of the old    W25-60, then filled with the new shell 

W100 and run with it. Or

more I    think of it,,,would it be advisable to run it maybe 5 to 10 hrs, and 

drain    it again to clear up any remainder w25-60,,, any suggestions or better 

to    tell me what i should do, ,  would be appreciated, thanks    David





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heaysr(at)telus.net
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:50 pm Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

Thanks for your reassuring message Walt.



I have found that some FBOs don't carry Phillips 25W60 and others don't

carry Aeroshell W100, which can be a pain when travelling around the USA if

one is married to one brand.



I switch and mix as he need arises and haven't seen any bad effects, but

while trying not to do it too often.



Jill has advised previously on the Yak list that prolonged use of  Phillips

can cause valve sticking with deposit build up (as I remember her to say)

but that can be countered with the prescribed dosage of CamGuard, while use

Aeroshell doen't seem to result in that "problem"



Jill.



 Are you there? Please confirm I'm not misquoting you.



Regards



Royden



 



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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:01 pm Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

The W100 Plus has an additive comparable to the CamGuard.

It¹s also more protective against corrosion so it¹s the better choice for

engines that don¹t run very often.

I¹m using it since many years. Phillips oil is virtually impossible to get

in Europe.



Jan



On 19/07/16 06:50, "Royden Heays" <owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com on

behalf of heaysr(at)telus.net> wrote:



[quote]



Thanks for your reassuring message Walt.



I have found that some FBOs don't carry Phillips 25W60 and others don't

carry Aeroshell W100, which can be a pain when travelling around the USA

if

one is married to one brand.



I switch and mix as he need arises and haven't seen any bad effects, but

while trying not to do it too often.



Jill has advised previously on the Yak list that prolonged use of

Phillips

can cause valve sticking with deposit build up (as I remember her to say)

but that can be countered with the prescribed dosage of CamGuard, while

use

Aeroshell doen't seem to result in that "problem"



Jill.



 Are you there? Please confirm I'm not misquoting you.



Regards



Royden



 



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jill(at)m-14p.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:42 am Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

Royden & Group:



"Jill has advised previously on the Yak list that prolonged use of

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		  Phillips

can cause valve sticking with deposit build up (as I remember her to say)

but that can be countered with the prescribed dosage of CamGuard, while

use

Aeroshell doen't seem to result in that "problem""


	




Royden, you are correct.  I had several customers using Camguard.  I have

zero experience with it.  But, MMO in the oil and/or fuel mitigates the

sticking valves problem if you are insisting on using the Phillips 25W60

Oil. 



Not all radial engines experience the problems with the Phillips.  We have

had numerous Stearman friends using it with no apparent issues.  On the

other hand, Precisions Engines issued a Bulletin.  Here is a link to their

article:  http://www.precisionengines.com/upload/resources/5.pdf 

I wanted to add a comment on the +5, -3 commentary, from a while back.

Having the "pie plate" wing root fairings does not tell you definitively

that you have a "heavy spar" Yak. Those fairings will fit on either Yak.  I

have several sets of pie plate fairings in stock.  The best thing to do is

to measure the wing attach fittings and you will know 100%.



See some of you at OSH!



Jill

M-14P, Inc.

Top Ace

Joined: 07 Jun 2016
Posts: 25
Location: Montreal, Canada

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

Folks,, number one reason to change over to the Shell W100. Due to the Phillips brand is just not always available north of the border,, I can pick up cases at my local Shell dealer here in Montreal, and most FBO stock the W 100, appreciate every ones advice,  thanks guys, David

okanoganlew(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:34 pm Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

I have 4 gals of AeroShell 120 (60wt) for sale.Â  Contact me off line, okanoganlew(at)gmail.com (okanoganlew(at)gmail.com)



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 New CJ owner, looking for knowledgeable advice, this engine has been using the Phillips 25w-60, which is still being run on today,,, due to not easy access of this oil, I want to change it over to the Shell W100 Plus which is stock in my area,, which I can read that many of you are using,,,

 My main question is just draining the oil tank, and cooler, and filter, enough to be emptied out of the old W25-60, then filled with the new shell W100 and run with it. Or

 more I think of it,,,would it be advisable to run it maybe 5 to 10 hrs, and drain it again to clear up any remainder w25-60,,, any suggestions or better to tell me what i should do, ,Â  would be appreciated, thanks David

 

 

 

 

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Viperdoc

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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: Phillips 25W-60 converting to Shell W100Plus

It's all those loose nuts.

Doc



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On Jul 18, 2016, at 11:49 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:

  I've always used W100 or W120.  Each time I've used 25W60,  I get oil leaks.  And it seem to come from every where on the engine.   I do not know 

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