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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:46 pm    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.

In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.

The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:59 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

Richard,

This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?
Can you site some example prices.
Ernie

On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Quote:

Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.
 
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
 
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
 
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
 
Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
 



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:18 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.

In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.

So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.

But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
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Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose


Richard,


This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.



Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.

In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.

The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:37 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

Thanks,

I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Quote:

We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.
 
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
 
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.
 
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
 
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
 
Tel:  [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com
 
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose

 
Richard,
 

This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.

 

Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.
 
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
 
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
 
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
 
Tel:  [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:18 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

My point is simply that the standard Russian metal ends will not accept the Aeroquip 303 hose and safely pass a high pressure test. Hence modifying them so that they will, and of course with the side advantage that a more conventional facility can change the hose easily in the future. Of course, this could be completely different with the Chinese metal ends.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 15:36
To: yak-list
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose


Thanks,


I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.



Thanks

Ernie

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.

In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.

So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.

But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

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Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose


Richard,


This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.



Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.

In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.

The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:29 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

Ernie,I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future supply.   I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocked them.  
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Thanks,

I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Quote:

We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.
 
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
 
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.
 
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
 
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
 
Tel:  [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com
 
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose

 
Richard,
 

This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.

 

Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.
 
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
 
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
 
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
 
Tel:  [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:39 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

Perfect, much easier than making.

Can you quote those out for me?
Thanks
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc(at)gmail.com (dougsappllc(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Ernie,I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.
I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future supply.   I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocked them.  
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Thanks,

I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.
Thanks
Ernie
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Quote:

We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.
 
In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.
 
So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.
 
But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.
 
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
 
Tel:  [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com
 
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose

 
Richard,
 

This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.

 

Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.
 
In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.
 
The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.
 
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
 
Tel:  [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com
 
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:50 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow. My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose

Perfect, much easier than making.


Can you quote those out for me?



Thanks

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc(at)gmail.com (dougsappllc(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.



I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocked them.



Best,

Doug

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Thanks,


I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.



Thanks

Ernie

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.

In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.

So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.

But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
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Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose


Richard,


This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.



Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.

In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.

The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:03 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

George – yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at huge minimum lengths!

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com


From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Aeroquip hose

And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow. My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
To: yak-list
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose

Perfect, much easier than making.


Can you quote those out for me?



Thanks

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc(at)gmail.com (dougsappllc(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.



I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocked them.



Best,

Doug

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Thanks,


I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.



Thanks

Ernie

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.

In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.

So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.

But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose


Richard,


This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.



Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.

In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.

The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:36 am    Post subject: Aeroquip hose Reply with quote

Boris regularly gets small quantities for us. Usually one Yak-52 worth of hose materials. As I recall it is similar to303 hose prices.
George

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:03 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Aeroquip hose

George – yes it is available, but at fantastic prices, and at huge minimum lengths!

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com


From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of George S. Coy
Sent: 01 August 2016 17:50
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Aeroquip hose

And for the yak guys, The Russian hose is still in production in Moscow. My partner recently bought a set of hose material for a Yak-52.
George

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 11:39 AM
To: yak-list
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose

Perfect, much easier than making.


Can you quote those out for me?



Thanks

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:29 AM, doug sapp <dougsappllc(at)gmail.com (dougsappllc(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Ernie,
I think your mechanic friend has it backwards, I think it's 10 years on the shelf and 5 years on the aircraft.



I stock a full line of all Chinese hoses, and see no problem with future supply. I have never had call for the metal ends so I have never stocked them.



Best,

Doug

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Thanks,


I thought you just sold the fittings so one could make their own hoses. Unfortunately, the CJ has a few hoses that aren't that easily made, like the ones requireing 90 fittings as an example. I think for the individual owner, it's just easier and probably not much more expensive to just buy the hoses if they are readily available, rather than go through the expense of buying the tooling to be able to perform a task that the average owner might do once every 10 years. I'm just going to replace ALL the hoses at once, and not worry about it again for a long while, I just checked my log books and they haven't been replaced since the plane was certified back in 2000. A mechanic friend of mine told me a rule of thumb for hoses are 5 years on the shelf and 10 years on the airplane, so I'm well overdue.



Thanks

Ernie

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
We went down this path, simply because we could not get adequate supplies of the original Russian flexible material without ordering kilometres of it. I had not envisaged simply modifying the metal ends of customers to enable them to insert their own hose – remember in Europe that anything like this has been done by an approved organisation.

In terms of costs, we currently charge Euro 90 per hose (about $100) – clearly this is on the basis that we expect to get a complete set for an aircraft – and so very cheap for the big oil hoses, but expensive for small fuel ones, but a great deal simpler for us to quote and invoice.

So this includes the machining and modification to the metal ends; importing Aeroquip 303 hose material from the US; making the hose; testing it; putting on a fireproof cover; giving EASA "form1" certification, which we need to be able to use them.

But we would certainly consider modifying just the individual metal ends, which would clearly be dramatically cheaper, if there were a market. I would also point out that this is only for the Russian hose ends, but quite conceivably the Chinese ends are identical.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: 01 August 2016 13:58
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Aeroquip hose


Richard,


This is interesting. Are these crimp fittings or reusable?

Can you site some example prices.



Ernie
On Monday, August 1, 2016, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
Our engine partner, Aerometal in Hungary, has developed a technology to remanufacture the Russian metal ends of flexible hoses (I have no experience, but I would assume very similar, if not identical, to the Chinese ones) in order to accept Aeroquip 303 hose. We have needed to do this to overcome the problem that the original Russian hose material is simply no longer available.

In Europe, an item like this can only be used with an EASA "form1", which is the highest European quality statement for an aviation product, so we have had to go through all the appropriate testing processes, which includes testing at three times normal working pressures.

The procedures add quite a lot to the cost of changing the hose on the first occasion, but then subsequently it is much cheaper.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340120]+44 (0) 1544 340120[/url]
Fax: [url=tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201544%20340129]+44 (0) 1544 340129[/url]
www.russianaeros.com

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