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civengpe
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 Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:59 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack.
Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn’t this way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about ¼ inch or more away from tire to be fine.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
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Subject: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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civengpe
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:09 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack.
Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn’t this way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about ¼ inch or more away from tire to be fine.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:17 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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The damage does appear to be from the tire. The reason I say that is
the break down the middle and the oval breaks around the outside. Also
notice a black mark to the left of the center crack at the wheel cutout.
How it got there .... I haven't got a clue.
Linn ....... might have been an accident investigator in a previous life
On 10/14/2016 2:32 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
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The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when
he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See
attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and
the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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civengpe
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside.
Does that sound plausible?
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack.
Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn’t this way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about ¼ inch or more away from tire to be fine.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:38 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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Plausible! I would think the lineboy (or linegirl  ) would have heard it crack though and didn't want to get into trouble.
I've never let anyone else park and tie down my plane and I have always carried 1 1/2" aluminum angle for chocks. I also hold the hose when refueling.
Linn
On 10/14/2016 3:20 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
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So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside.
Does that sound plausible?
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack.
Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn’t this way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about ¼ inch or more away from tire to be fine.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:38 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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Yes, your ½ is plenty so that wasn’t it on landing, just like my pothole, putting pressure on the WB by a chock could do this. I can see for sure that a chock could be too tall; the plane may have rolled back and the weight would absolutely cause this. Looks like the pressure was right below the drain hole. I have my own Angle to serve as chocks, they fit tightly and accomplish the “no move” goal.
I was totally kidding about the pothole in your hangar, but rolling a plane back into a hangar wouldn’t cause this much damage unless the wheel pant “sat” on something after being dropped (aka wood blocks holding up gear and it slipping off onto the blocks.
I think you have this one solved however.
Easy fix- 2 ply on outside, flox on cracks will easily resolve the issue with plenty of strength and easy to repaint since no one sees it!
Pascal
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:21 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside.
Does that sound plausible?
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack.
Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn’t this way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about ¼ inch or more away from tire to be fine.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RV10-List: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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recapen(at)earthlink.net
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:46 am Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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That makes sense – I carry my own made of PVC…
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:21 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
So, I think I may have figured this one out. I recently spent a week at another airport and the FBO had to park me in a remote location. When I showed up to leave they had chocks on the pilot side main gear. I think they may have been too tall and point loaded the rear part of the WP. I never noticed since in was on the underside.
Does that sound plausible?
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:08 PM, "Shannon Hicks" <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
The wheel pants were off for condition inspection just 3 weeks ago and there was no sign of damage and we have about 1/2" of gap between the tire and WP at this point. I can't imagine how hard of a landing it would take to bulge the aft portion of the tire 1/2".
We are hangered at EFD so have smoothish asphalt everywhere....
Shannon
On Oct 14, 2016 2:02 PM, "P Reid" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
Unless his hangar has potholes there is nothing I can think of.
I did have the same situation except in my case I was taxiing across a grass strip to get to runway and I went into a slight ditch that was enough to cause the fairing to crack.
Your picture looks like a fairing that was cracked due to a heavy landing and tires hitting it. Is he sure it wasn’t this way before he heard that noise? As for clearance it needs to be about ¼ inch or more away from tire to be fine.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:33 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant
The other day, my buddy was pushing the 10 back into the hanger when he heard a cracking sound from the left main wheel pant. (See attached) We checked the clearance from the tire and it was fine and the WP was still very firmly attached. Tire pressure was also good.
Any ideas on what may have caused this?
Shannon
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:20 pm Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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You think 1/2" is plenty? I personally don't think so. I'd go with more
like 5/8-3/4"
Tim
On 10/14/2016 2:37 PM, P Reid wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, your ½ is plenty so that wasn’t it on landing, just like my
pothole, putting pressure on the WB by a chock could do this. I can see
for sure that a chock could be too tall; the plane may have rolled back
and the weight would absolutely cause this. Looks like the pressure was
right below the drain hole. I have my own Angle to serve as chocks, they
fit tightly and accomplish the “no move” goal.
I was totally kidding about the pothole in your hangar, but rolling a
plane back into a hangar wouldn’t cause this much damage unless the
wheel pant “sat” on something after being dropped (aka wood blocks
holding up gear and it slipping off onto the blocks.
I think you have this one solved however.
Easy fix- 2 ply on outside, flox on cracks will easily resolve the issue
with plenty of strength and easy to repaint since no one sees it!
Pascal
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civengpe
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:26 pm Post subject: Weird Broken Wheel Pant |
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Tim,
I'm redoing the fiberglass now, so will look at the gap.
Thanks for the tip.
On Oct 14, 2016 3:23 PM, "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
You think 1/2" is plenty? I personally don't think so. I'd go with more
like 5/8-3/4"
Tim
On 10/14/2016 2:37 PM, P Reid wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, your ½ is plenty so that wasn’t it on landing, just like my
pothole, putting pressure on the WB by a chock could do this. I can see
for sure that a chock could be too tall; the plane may have rolled back
and the weight would absolutely cause this. Looks like the pressure was
right below the drain hole. I have my own Angle to serve as chocks, they
fit tightly and accomplish the “no move” goal.
I was totally kidding about the pothole in your hangar, but rolling a
plane back into a hangar wouldn’t cause this much damage unless the
wheel pant “sat” on something after being dropped (aka wood blocks
holding up gear and it slipping off onto the blocks.
I think you have this one solved however.
Easy fix- 2 ply on outside, flox on cracks will easily resolve the issue
with plenty of strength and easy to repaint since no one sees it!
Pascal
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