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Rex Rodebush

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:38 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

Thanks to all for the aileron trim suggestions a few months ago.  I made an adjustable trim and then had to add a little bit on the rudder trim for the extra drag.  See attached pictures.



Also, I made a new video with the camera mounted outside and added some music.  I'm flying about 2500'.  Would like to go lower but a little nervous as some times no good options for landing if an engine out occurs.  



Go to utube and type in "flying a kolb over table rock lake" and it should come up.

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Rex Rodebush

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video

Forgot to reduce the size of the picture. Sorry!

lcottrell

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:58 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

Not bad Rex. The mount seems to be pretty steady. I am surprised that You Tube allowed you to post it. I had some videos on YT and they blocked the video's since I didn't have copywrite permission for the song I used. That is why I went to Vimeo.Larry

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:13 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

Â "Forgot to reduce the size of the picture.Â  Sorry!"

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my curiosity is getting to me......Â  the picture of the aileron trim.... can you takeÂ another pictureÂ from further away...Â  is the trim tab mounted dynamically?Â Â  does it flex as you move the aileron?Â  Â  or is it fixed?Â Â Â Â  what is the rod that the linkage is mounted to?Â  

I have the aileron counter weights on my mkIII....Â Â  but they go from the aileron torque tube forward....Â Â Â Â  Assuming they are dynamic and move as you move the ailerons..Â Â  do they reduce some of the stick pressure like a spade would do?Â Â  and then maybe I am over imagining things here....

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video

Larry,  I got the music from a web side for "free" music.  No copyright problems.  I'll see if I can find out where.  



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Rex Rodebush

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video

Boyd, It's a fixed tab mounted to an extension of the aileron counter-balance. I'll send a pix tomorrow.

Rex Rodebush

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video

Larry,  I could not find out where I got the music but google "free music for utube videos" and a bunch of stuff comes up.

lcottrell

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:49 pm Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

It doesn't matter, I won't be returning to You Tube no matter what.LarryÂ 

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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:56 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

Lovely smooth video. No music unfortunately.  I think if I was flying in your area I would choose an amphibian. Stayed many years ago with a guy in Lake Wales and flew  a Buccaneer (I think). I have flown a French amphib.also.  The amphibian is an exciting  change, Easy to fly, the water landings are really not much trouble. I was sent solo after two trips dual. Swimming and fishing from the plane and the use of deserted beaches for picnics opens up your options plus a lot of places to land if it does suddenly  get all quiet. 

Pat 

  

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 Thanks to all for the aileron trim suggestions a few months ago.  I made an adjustable trim and then had to add a little bit on the rudder trim for the extra drag.  See attached pictures.

 

 Also, I made a new video with the camera mounted outside and added some music.  I'm flying about 2500'.  Would like to go lower but a little nervous as some times no good options for landing if an engine out occurs.  

 

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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video

Pat,  I have looked at making it an amphibian.  The main concerns I have are that with the extra weight and a full tank it pretty much becomes a single place airplane. Also, you need a paved or very smooth grass runway.  You would give up many off field landing areas.

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:47 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

Hi, 

I think that I would go for a properly designed amphib. rather than try to convert a Kolb. I can`t remember much about the Buccaneer, it was a long time ago but I remember it as a  roomy side by side cockpit with easy access and good visibility. I think  it had wing tip floats for stability when anchored. They guy I stayed with had a wooden ramp from his land into Lake Wales. He kept the plane parked on the ramp and when we were aboard he just took off the brake and we trundled backward into the water. There  was some quick work with a paddle to float us clear of the trees which surrounded the lake. He turned into wind and pulled the starter cord and we gently nosed out into the lake. When the engine is running you gotta go. We did the checks as we nosed into wind,  checked that there were no boats about, opened the throttle and bounced into the air after quite a short take off run. When we returned after a few circuits, and a beat up across the lake flat out at around ten feet, great fun, we landed and  taxied straight  out of the water and up his ramp. Unfortunately the next day we could not get the engine started and I never solo`d. I remember he had friends arriving by boat and plane from all over the lake , all offering advice, and beer, while we worked in the shade of  a big tree. It was a great day and one of the best `hangar flying` days I ever had. 

  The French amphib. I flew was twenty years later. It was designed by a boat designer with aeronautical experience. Lots of things were operated by toggles and ropes, just like a small sailing dinghy. The rudder retracted by pulling a toggle. The wheels  dropped from their retracted position by pulling a toggle. All very boaty. The main difference to the Bucanceer was that the main pod was cast in plastic  not just fabric beefed up with a sole plate. The engine had an electric starter too. Altogether a more  up together outfit but as I said it was at least twenty years later  and things had moved on in the microlight world. 

I tried to get a flight with a guy who had put a Kolb on floats when I was down in the Keys at one time. Unfortunately, after a long drive to find him he had the plane in bits doing some maintenance. It looked as though it would work OK and I remember seeing  Kolbs on floats on you tube at one point but the drag caused by inflatable floats with little streamlining must have been tremendous. 

I did find a guy down in the Keys who had fitted a weightshift wing and engine to a rubber dinghy but although it looked fun I didn`t fancy it for serious flying.   

Your flying area is very attractive. Is the water warm enough to swim in? I should find it very frustrating if it was like San Francisco, where the water looks so attractive but you need a diving suit to get in it. 



  

Good luck 



  

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 Pat,  I have looked at making it an amphibian.  The main concerns I have are that with the extra weight and a full tank it pretty much becomes a single place airplane. Also, you need a paved or very smooth grass runway.  You would give up many off field landing  areas.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:15 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

Rex, 

I missed your point about rough landing fields. Sorry that I cannot help there. As I said, the plane in Lake Wales when we flew it went straight from a ramp into  the water. The next time I saw it, it was for sale at Sun n Fun. The French amphib. I flew  was from Vance-Meucon airfield to the sea and back. Vance had a single concrete runway on the edge of the town where the factory which built the plane was situated so the use of rough fields did not come up. I do remember however that the company was exporting  5 planes to a missionary outfit in Africa where I would not expect landing strip to be very good. 

For what its worth. 

Pat

  

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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video

Pat,



We are in Southern Missouri just about 10 miles north of Arkansas.  The weather is warm and the lake temperature can get into the 80's during summer.  No problem swimming. 



 I have a neighbor (a retired airline pilot) that built an early kolb twinstar and put floats on it.  He and a fellow pilot flew it on the Mississippi river near St. Louis.  The floats were not amphibious.  They hauled it back and forth.  This was probably 15/20 years ago.  I think he gave me a picture of it.  I'll see if I can scan and attach it.



Rex

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:20 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

I have been looking at pics on YouTube and the Buccaneer shown there with the pilot fitting the wheels while in flight is definitely not the one I flew. Mine folded the wheels up in a very awkward config which made the plane look like a stork swimming and  trying to keep its feet dry. Worked though.  Pat

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 We are in Southern Missouri just about 10 miles north of Arkansas.  The weather is warm and the lake temperature can get into the 80's during summer.  No problem swimming. 

  I have a neighbor (a retired airline pilot) that built an early kolb twinstar and put floats on it.  He and a fellow pilot flew it on the Mississippi river near St. Louis.  The floats were not amphibious.  They hauled it back and forth.  This was probably  15/20 years ago.  I think he gave me a picture of it.  I'll see if I can scan and attach it.

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Aileron trim and a new video

Attached is a pix of the twinstar on floats. It's a pdf file so don't know if it will work.

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:27 am Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

The pdf file worked with no problem.

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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:49 pm Post subject: Aileron trim and a new video

Rex - thanx for pic of the Kolb on floats. But IMHO the Kolb is an IDEAL configuration for a floating-hull 

seaplane or amphib, with stubby sponsons. Better than floats IMHO.

Fair winds, Russ K



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