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Frankd

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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:40 am Post subject: Starter issue with 2200

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    my name is Frank and I have a Kolb MkIII Xtra with a Jab 2200. 

     

    It has always been hard to start when cold and I am trying to get that fixed. 

    I got a new battery  but I still have the same issue,  it cranks very slowly at first start,  or barely turns over at all,  and I think it has to do with the grounding of the starter. 

     

    I read that the starter needs a grounding strap to help reduce the resistance from the mounting to the frame. 

     

    Also , there is some recommendation to change the starter to a Silver body vs a black body.. 

    If anyone has more details I would love to get feedback. 

     

    My cell is (408)802-4896. Or pls reply to this post.

     

    Thank you

     

    FrankD

    N1014S, MkIII Xtra.

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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:47 pm Post subject: Starter issue with 2200

Hi Frank,

  

 I have an early 3300 with a Black starter also. There needs to  be an additional ground wire from a starter mounting bolt to the case. I will  take a photo of mine tomorrow and send it to you. How far is your battery from  the engine? My old black starter works just fine. It sounds like once you run  the engine to where it is hot it will restart ok, is that correct? If that is  true it sounds like a ground issue or your cables are to small. Also ,  check all of your connections.

  

 Tim



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Subject: Starter  issue with 2200

 

 Hello,

  

 my name is Frank and I have a Kolb MkIII Xtra with a Jab  2200. 

  

 It has always been hard to start when cold and I am trying  to get that fixed. 

 I got a new battery  but I still have the same  issue,  it cranks very slowly at first start,  or barely turns over at  all,  and I think it has to do with the grounding of the starter. 

  

 I read that the starter needs a grounding strap to help  reduce the resistance from the mounting to the frame. 

  

 Also , there is some recommendation to change the starter  to a Silver body vs a black body.. 

 If anyone has more details I would love to get feedback.  

  

 My cell is (408)802-4896. Or pls reply to this post.

  

 Thank you

  

 FrankD

 N1014S, MkIII Xtra.

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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:48 pm Post subject: Starter issue with 2200

Hi Frank,

       

       The silver body starter will help, it's a lot more powerful. But       only if you get the electric current to the starter with minimal       losses. So that strap will help, it reduces electrical resistance       from battery to the starter. All other connections need to be good       as well, so check that your ground path is good, and that your       starter relay is in good condition.

       

       Other things to look at: A battery with low internal resistance.       Not all battery's are made equal. For me a LiFePO4 (EarthX or       similar) made a huge difference, and shaved 5 kg off the weight of       the plane.

       

       Hope this helps,

       Rob

       

       On 2/13/2017 5:39 PM, Frank wrote:

     

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		       Normal   0               false   false   false      EN-US   X-NONE   X-NONE                                             MicrosoftInternetExplorer4                                                   <![endif]-->         Hello,

          

         my name is Frank and I have a Kolb MkIII           Xtra with a Jab           2200. 

          

         It has always been hard to start when           cold and I am trying           to get that fixed. 

         I got a new battery  but I still have the           same           issue,  it cranks very slowly at first start,  or barely turns           over           at all,  and I think it has to do with the grounding of the           starter. 

          

         I read that the starter needs a grounding           strap to help           reduce the resistance from the mounting to the frame. 

          

         Also , there is some recommendation to           change the starter to           a Silver body vs a black body.. 

         If anyone has more details I would love           to get feedback. 

          

         My cell is (408)802-4896. Or pls reply to           this post.

          

         Thank you

          

         FrankD

         N1014S, MkIII Xtra.

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Frankd

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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Starter issue with 2200

Good morning Guys,

thanks for the replies.  

I did more research and the results exactly match your recommendations. 

I also contacted the Jabiru USA guys and was told that of all the black starters sold there is a pretty high % that have been replaced. 



So.. I will install another grounding wire directly to the body of the starter, I have already cleaned and checked the connections from the battery. 

I use heavy battery cables for all my starter wiring,  so I believe that should work. 

If I continue to have issues I will get a new starter motor,  I have about 100Hrs on the engine but given that the silver is a more powerful motor it should solve the problem.  I already got a new AeroVoltz battery so I can verify if that makes a difference also and see if my original battery does the job. 



Thanks again for your support, nice to be able to go get some advice. 

Frank

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