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Have you considered just cutting a small window in your existing lexan door that you can open or close when you need it? Best of both worlds. If you do decide to do it make sure that the plane is in flying position when you mark it for cutting.Larry
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In order to give an unobstructed view for photography, I would like to do some flights with the doors removed.
Are there any restrictions or suggestions etc?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:21 pm Post subject: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra |
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Trevor/Kolbers:
I have lost many great photos because I have always shot through Lexan.
Should have fabricated a camera window on my MKIII from the get go.
I have flown a MKIIIc with the right door off to allow Howard Levy, RIP, to
shoot air to air at Sun and Fun many years ago, because he refused to work
through Lexan. Was a miserable ride with one door off. Probably twice as
miserable with both.
There are a lot of ways to accomplish a camera door. Hopefully, someone who
has done this will jump in and give you a little help.
Don't recommend flying the MKIII without doors.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:43 pm Post subject: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra |
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There are a lot of ways to accomplish a camera door. Hopefully, someone whohas done this will jump in and give you a little help.
I copied Mike Marker's photo window that he had on the Ran's. Basically it is a 10 inch window cut out of which ever side that you prefer for pictures. I riveted a equal length of light alum hinge stock to the bottom. I made a light alum latch at the top corner. I cut about 2 inch strip to frame the window on the outside and using a 2x4 with a kerf slot cut into it the depth that I wanted to bend it to a 25 or so degree angle. I then cut the flat part up to the bend, which allowed me to bend it to fit around the window on the outside of the window. ( or you can do it with two pieces if you want. ) This deflects the wind out of the cabin. This would fit in front and over the top of the window, and keeps most of the outside air out of the cabin.
When you want to take a picture, merely lean over a bit, unlatch the window and swing it down by your side. The curvature of the wind screen will keep the window bent under pressure when it is secured up, and closed.
As I mentioned earlier you want to make sure that the tail is lifted to flying position when you lay out the window.
Pictures if you want?
Larry
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My friend Marc Webster makes the highest quality aircraft-specific camera mounts for aircraft with wing struts. If you are looking into taking photographs, check www.cloudbaseengineering.com , you will NOT be disappointed with his products!
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 1/9/17, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, January 9, 2017, 10:43 PM
There are a lot of ways to
accomplish a camera door. Hopefully, someone who
has done this will jump in and
give you a little help.
I copied
Mike Marker's photo window that he had on the Ran's.
Basically it is a 10 inch window cut out of which ever side
that you prefer for pictures. I riveted a equal length of
light alum hinge stock to the bottom. I made a light alum
latch at the top corner. I cut about 2 inch strip to frame
the window on the outside and using a 2x4 with a kerf slot
cut into it the depth that I wanted to bend it to a 25 or so
degree angle. I then cut the flat part up to the bend, which
allowed me to bend it to fit around the window on the
outside of the window. ( or you can do it with two pieces
if you want. ) This deflects the wind out of the cabin. This
would fit in front and over the top of the window, and keeps
most of the outside air out of the
cabin.
When you
want to take a picture, merely lean over a bit, unlatch the
window and swing it down by your side. The curvature of the
wind screen will keep the window bent under pressure when it
is secured up, and closed.
As I
mentioned earlier you want to make sure that the tail is
lifted to flying position when you lay out the
window.
Pictures
if you want?Larry
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra |
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Make up a 2nd door that comes back about to around your thighs. That is enough to cause the wind to flow past the cockpit rather than through it. Check out the top left picture here: http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg2.htm
I have 2 sets of doors; one for summer, and another for winter. The summer set comes back to about even with the thighs, and the winter set closes the cockpit up completely. The shorty door keeps the wind from being obnoxious but still allows for taking pictures.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:24 am Post subject: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra |
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Here's what I did that works fantastic. I made myself a set of Summer doors. I flew my M3-Xtra with the doors off and got a face full of wind. Didn't care for that but wanted to be able to fly doors open. I removed my door, put it on a piece of plywood and made a simple jig out of it. I then made a duplicate door only added a simple tube down the middle. (See attached photo) I then attached lexan on the front half only. That is just enough to deflect the air around you but leave all the space beside you exposed to the outside. Living here in Texas it's a big help on stopping the greenhouse effect that heats the cabin in the Summer. Now on the hottest days I'm nice and comfortable. I also removed the Lexan panels behind me on the rear deck as Kolb recommends doing with doors off to reduce the pressure on them.
Scott Hudson
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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My friend Marc Webster makes the highest quality aircraft-specific camera mounts for aircraft with wing struts. If you are looking into taking photographs, check www.cloudbaseengineering.com , you will NOT be disappointed with his products!
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 1/9/17, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Subject: Re: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Monday, January 9, 2017, 10:43 PM
There are a lot of ways to
accomplish a camera door. Hopefully, someone who
has done this will jump in and
give you a little help.
I copied
Mike Marker's photo window that he had on the Ran's.
Basically it is a 10 inch window cut out of which ever side
that you prefer for pictures. I riveted a equal length of
light alum hinge stock to the bottom. I made a light alum
latch at the top corner. I cut about 2 inch strip to frame
the window on the outside and using a 2x4 with a kerf slot
cut into it the depth that I wanted to bend it to a 25 or so
degree angle. I then cut the flat part up to the bend, which
allowed me to bend it to fit around the window on the
outside of the window. ( or you can do it with two pieces
if you want. ) This deflects the wind out of the cabin. This
would fit in front and over the top of the window, and keeps
most of the outside air out of the
cabin.
When you
want to take a picture, merely lean over a bit, unlatch the
window and swing it down by your side. The curvature of the
wind screen will keep the window bent under pressure when it
is secured up, and closed.
As I
mentioned earlier you want to make sure that the tail is
lifted to flying position when you lay out the
window.
Pictures
if you want?Larry
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:40 am Post subject: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra |
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On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Bill, his stuff looks good, and I am sure that it works fine with a standard GA strut. Unless you have one of the alum. extruded struts on your Kolb I doubt that any of the current cameras, (Drift,GoPro,Virb. Etc.) will work on a Kolb strut. Too flexible, insufficient camera stabilization. At least nothing that I stuck on my struts worked, your experience may differ.
Larry
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Hi Larry and Kolbers,
For the Kolb streamline strut, I believe one of Marc's mounts actually will work. He had several custom aluminum extrusions made (!) that allow him to mix and match the clamps to fit a whole lot of wing struts. He has adjustments and clamps that fit numerous strut sizes. I've seen his mounts on a pitot tube mast on a warbird, jury struts, pre-war antiques, hang gliders, ultralights, Cessna, Piper, Taylorcraft, etc. etc.
On a round (original) Kolb strut, I am certain Marc can make up a custom mount that will work. It may have to tie into another part of the wing or it may not. I believe he has done ultralight mounts on round tubes.
The most important thing of all is that he is 1000% willing to work with experimental airplane people to make something work better than anyone else's mount. Marc is a hang glider, sailplane, and experimental airplane guy. Just about ready for his "long XC" for his powered aircraft private license. Just a first class guy, absolutely who we need in aviation.
Sorry to drift the discussion away from actual windows and in-cockpit photography.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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Bill,
his stuff looks good, and I am sure that it works fine with
a standard GA strut. Unless you have one of the alum.
extruded struts on your Kolb I doubt that any of the current
cameras, (Drift,GoPro,Virb. Etc.) will work on a Kolb strut.
Too flexible, insufficient camera stabilization. At least
nothing that I stuck on my struts worked, your experience
may differ.Larry
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lcottrell
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra |
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Bill, I think you misunderstand what I said. It would not be the fault of anything that he might build or have. His stuff looks really nice and substantial. There is so much vibration and harmonics with the kolb air frame that every camera that I have tried is unable to dampen the harmonics of the engines and air frame. I am sure that his work is outstanding. The problem lies in the cameras that are available to us kolb cheapskates.
There are three points that I have found on my Kolb that will give you a "watchable" video. One is the wing mount point that is normally used to fold and hold the wing. Its not bad with some of the cameras. The next is the gear legs, but the view is not what I want. The last for me is on the very end of the nose cone. That is the one that I use and like. Probably the worst camera for a Kolb is the GoPro.
It was my understanding that the original post was referring to still camera's. While the strut mount would work for a still camera, you would not have much control over changing conditions and framing of the shot.
Larry
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Hi Larry and Kolbers,
For the Kolb streamline strut, I believe one of Marc's mounts actually will work. He had several custom aluminum extrusions made (!) that allow him to mix and match the clamps to fit a whole lot of wing struts. He has adjustments and clamps that fit numerous strut sizes. I've seen his mounts on a pitot tube mast on a warbird, jury struts, pre-war antiques, hang gliders, ultralights, Cessna, Piper, Taylorcraft, etc. etc.
On a round (original) Kolb strut, I am certain Marc can make up a custom mount that will work. It may have to tie into another part of the wing or it may not. I believe he has done ultralight mounts on round tubes.
The most important thing of all is that he is 1000% willing to work with experimental airplane people to make something work better than anyone else's mount. Marc is a hang glider, sailplane, and experimental airplane guy. Just about ready for his "long XC" for his powered aircraft private license. Just a first class guy, absolutely who we need in aviation.
Sorry to drift the discussion away from actual windows and in-cockpit photography.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Tue, 1/10/17, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Bill,
his stuff looks good, and I am sure that it works fine with
a standard GA strut. Unless you have one of the alum.
extruded struts on your Kolb I doubt that any of the current
cameras, (Drift,GoPro,Virb. Etc.) will work on a Kolb strut.
Too flexible, insufficient camera stabilization. At least
nothing that I stuck on my struts worked, your experience
may differ.Larry
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Flying with doors removed KOLB MK 3 Extra |
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Hi chaps,
Thanks for the feedback. I am going with 2 sets of doors. Summer/winter. Need some wind in the hair.
Cheers
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Hi chaps,
Thanks for the feedback. I am going with 2 sets of doors.
Summer/winter. Need some wind in the hair.
Cheers
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"tarnold" <tarnoldza>
Hi chaps,
Thanks for the feedback. I am going with 2 sets of doors.
Summer/winter. Need some wind in the hair.
Cheers
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