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 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:17 pm Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Need some help from the experts. I have been looking for a DPDT switch off-on-on non progressive. It seems like such an animal does not exist. The switch will be used for wigwag/ landing lights. I am considering using the wig/wag module sold by Crazed Pilot. Possibly there is another switch that with creative wiring will give off-on-on. If so please advise and include the creative wiring required. I could go with a on-off-on and have what I need but I would like to keep all off functions down which is why I am searching for the requested switch,
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Paul Eckenroth
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JOHN TIPTON
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:00 pm Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Paul
Would Mike bullocks idea suit you better, not needing the 'crazed pilot' wig wag
http://www.rvplane.com/?categoryid=&dayid=1145
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| Quote: | On 5 Feb 2017, at 08:13 pm, Paul Eckenroth <paul(at)eckenroth.com> wrote:
Need some help from the experts. I have been looking for a DPDT switch off-on-on non progressive. It seems like such an animal does not exist. The switch will be used for wigwag/ landing lights. I am considering using the wig/wag module sold by Crazed Pilot. Possibly there is another switch that with creative wiring will give off-on-on. If so please advise and include the creative wiring required. I could go with a on-off-on and have what I need but I would like to keep all off functions down which is why I am searching for the requested switch,
Thanks
Paul Eckenroth
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:40 am Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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This is a configuration that I used. It minimizes the panel space requirements.
Chuck Gauthier
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Subject: Re: Off-On-On Switch
From: "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com (fransew(at)gmail.com)>
Possibly B & C part number S700-2-11
http://www.bandc.aero/toggleswitch-doublepole.aspx
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http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Carling-Technologies/STG2EE-53/?qs=lk%252bUld%252bvit6bNyz8ck2TZQ%3d%3d
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http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/copal-electronics-inc/ET210PA12-Z/563-1873-ND/5086777
ET210PA12Z Datasheet:
http://www.nidec-copal-electronics.com/e/catalog/switch/et.pdf
ET210PA12Z __ ON ON OFF
ON Connecting terminals: 23 , 56
ON Connecting terminals: 56
OFF Connecting terminals: None
You could call B & C and get their advice.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Off-On-On Switch |
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| paul(at)eckenroth.com wrote: | Need some help from the experts. I have been looking for a DPDT switch off-on-on non progressive. It seems like such an animal does not exist. The switch will be used for wigwag/ landing lights. I am considering using the wig/wag module sold by Crazed Pilot. Possibly there is another switch that with creative wiring will give off-on-on. If so please advise and include the creative wiring required. I could go with a on-off-on and have what I need but I would like to keep all off functions down which is why I am searching for the requested switch,
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Hi Paul,
You can use a 2-10 (on-on-on) switch like what Bob shows on his Z-16 drawing as a master switch. You could wire it like Bob shows in Figure 11-17 on page 11-19 of the AeroElectric Connection. That's what I did for my landing light to have the down position "off", center "landing", & up "wig-wag". You could configure whatever order you like.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:30 pm Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. It seems like all the switches mentioned are progressive. Am I interpreting things correctly in that power feed to the wigwag module will of course cause the lights to wigwag. When power is applied directly to the lights without removing the power from the wigwag module then the lights go on steady with no harm done to the wigwag module? I have the schematic from Aeroelectric for the wigwag/ landing using one switch 2-10. Can someone explain the need for the bridge rectifier. Also is there a source somewhere for the individual switch schematics from Carling.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:41 am Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. It seems like all the switches mentioned are progressive. Am I interpreting things correctly in that power feed to the wigwag module will of course cause the lights to wigwag. If power is applied directly to the lights without removing the power from the wigwag module then the lights go on steady with no harm done to the wigwag module. I have the schematic from Aeroelectric for the wigwag/ landing using one switch 2-10. Can someone explain the need for the bridge rectifier. Also is there a source somewhere for the individual switch schematics from Carling. It seems to me that with the information given in the data sheets you don't really know what you are getting.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Off-On-On Switch |
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Paul,
You asked about the bridge rectifier. Can you post the schematic or a link to it?
For Carling schematics, try a Google search for "carling switch pinout".
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:06 pm Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Joe
Here is a link to the Aeroelectric article. The schematic is page 3, single source, single switch.
Paul
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Paul,
You asked about the bridge rectifier. Can you post the schematic or a link to it?
For Carling schematics, try a Google search for "carling switch pinout".
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Off-On-On Switch |
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The link is missing.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:42 pm Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Let me try that again. Need to make the slight extra effort to add the link.http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/WigWag/WigWag.pdf
Paul
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Here is a link to the Aeroelectric article. The schematic is page 3, single source, single switch.
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Paul,
You asked about the bridge rectifier. Can you post the schematic or a link to it?
For Carling schematics, try a Google search for "carling switch pinout".
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Off-On-On Switch |
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OK, I looked at the schematic. The reason for the bridge diode is to isolate flasher terminals 2 and 3. Without the diodes, terminals 2 and 3 would be connected together and the lights would never wig-wag. They would both be on at the same time.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:57 am Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Yes: I'm using this (page 3), now how do we convert this when I fit LEDs instead
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Off-On-On Switch |
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According to the last page of the pdf (link provided above by Paul), the flasher will work with LEDs if a 75 ohm, 5 watt resistor is connected in parallel with each LED light.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:54 am Post subject: Off-On-On Switch |
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Thanks Joe
All I had to do was to mentally remove the bridge diode and the need becomes obvious. I now believe I have enough information to proceed.
Paul
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OK, I looked at the schematic. The reason for the bridge diode is to isolate flasher terminals 2 and 3. Without the diodes, terminals 2 and 3 would be connected together and the lights would never wig-wag. They would both be on at the same time.
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