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millner(at)me.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:54 pm Post subject: ADS-B Misinformation

>> The information that I have from Trig... is that Garmin 430w/530w 

are not approved as the GPS source unless they are updated per Garmin. 

The software update is not currently available and may never become 

available.



One has to be VERY careful... for instance, Garmin opined that the 480

was not suitable for use as an ADS-B source without an upgrade.

However... the FAA disagreed. The FAA had approved the 480, as is, under

an STC with the NavWorx UAT box. So as far as the FAA is concerned, the

480 with current software meets the STC and is good to go. Of course,

there's a pending AD that may affect certain of the NavWorx boxes, but

that's not because of the software level of the Garmin 480. So the

Garmin "guidance" is incorrect as far as the FAA is concerned. You'll

have to check on Trig and Avidyne certification separately... but since

the Avidyne unit is a rebadged NavWorx, I'm thinking... no problem.



  >> If you remain within the US borders, and never fly above 18,000

feet,978UAT is "good enough".



The US borders mention is a bit of red herring. You can fly your UAT

*outside* US borders as well. Canada has no requirement for ADS-B. There

is an optional use area in an obscure corner of the country, above

27,000'. Most of us aren't going there, and of course, could opt out of

the optional use even if we did.



No other western hemisphere country currently has an ADS-B

requirement... so just where outside of US borders are we concerned?!



Paul

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jim(at)PoogieBearRanch.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:48 am Post subject: ADS-B Misinformation

 	  Quote: 	
		  >>> If you remain within the US borders, and never fly above 

>>> 18,000 feet, 978UAT is "good enough".


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  > The US borders mention is a bit of red herring. You can fly 

> your UAT *outside* US borders as well. Canada has no 

> requirement for ADS-B. There is an optional use area in an 

> obscure corner of the country, above 27,000'. Most of us 

> aren't going there, and of course, could opt out of the 

> optional use even if we did.


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  > No other western hemisphere country currently has an 

> ADS-B requirement... so just where outside of US borders 

> are we concerned?!


	


I'm not personally concerned about it at all, as I don't plan to fly to

Canada, Mexico, or anywhere else outside the US.  But I DO have friends

who fly their planes to Europe, and others who fly to South America, and

it may well affect them.  (Note the use of the word "may" in that

sentence.)



I believe I mentioned in one of my posts that Mexico is discussing

legislation that follows the US model, quite possibly even to the  point

of including approval for 978 UAT, but that is purely speculative, as

nothing has been enacted yet, and it appears that their relationship

with the US is a bit "strained" at the moment...  Previously, their

rules tended to parallel US rules, but nowadays, who knows?  Until their

legislation is finalized, we're all just speculating.



Canada generally follows ICAO (as do the rest of the countries further

south), and ICAO has been pretty clear that they are going to require

1090ES, and that 978 UAT will NOT be considered or approved.  That

doesn't mean that you need 1090ES to go to Canada today, nor on January

1st, 2020.  But if/when Canada does join the ADS-B mandate, it is

probably going to require 1090ES, following the ICAO rules. (Again, note

the use of the word "probably" in that sentence.)



So, yes, if you're trying to decide HOW to meet the 2020 ADS-B OUT

mandate, and you plan to fly OUTSIDE the US, it might be a good idea to

at least CONSIDER equipping with 1090ES, rather than 978 UAT.  AOPA and

others have published data showing that about 75-80% of current ADS-B

aircraft are 1090ES.  I suspect a lot of them are going that route not

because they will fly above 18000 ft, nor fly outside the US, but

because they would rather ditch their ancient Transponder now, as part

of the upgrade to ADS-B, rather than supplement it with a 978 UAT

device.  I know that's my current thinking, since my transponder seems

to have been original equipment back in 1965...



Or, you can just follow the time-honored aviation principle of "wait

until not having ADS-B OUT prevents me from doing something I want to

do, and worry about it then..."  But judging by the backlog at my local

avionics shops, people who do this may be in for a considerable wait

before they can get it done...  Free country, so make your choice and

live with it.  Since I live just inside a Mode-C veil, I don't have much

of a choice, other than deciding between 1090ES and 978UAT.  Unless I

want to just park my plane, and that's not a viable option for me.



Jim Parker

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gerry.vandyk(at)eastlink.
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:57 am Post subject: ADS-B Misinformation

Nav Canada has been using ADS-B for years, but ONLY on the overseas routes over the north Atlantic and Hudson's Bay.  To the best of my knowledge there is no discussion about implementing any form of ADS-B for Canadian domestic operations.  Mode C is all that's required in any controlled airspace in Canada.http://www.navcanada.ca/en/products-and-services/pages/on-board-operational-initiatives-ads-b.aspx



Gerry van Dyk

Wetaskiwin, AlbertaOn 02/15/17 07:52 AM, jim(at)PoogieBearRanch.com wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  Canada generally follows ICAO (as do the rest of the countries furthersouth), and ICAO has been pretty clear that they are going to require1090ES, and that 978 UAT will NOT be considered or approved.  Thatdoesn't mean that you need 1090ES to go to Canada today, nor on January1st, 2020.  But if/when Canada does join the ADS-B mandate, it isprobably going to require 1090ES, following the ICAO rules. (Again, notethe use of the word "probably" in that sentence.)

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