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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:48 am Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

I am pleased to say that rumours of my demise (or my aeroplane's) are premature and GXSDJ is well on the way to resurrection and should be flying in time for me to be fully involved in Trips this year. At the moment we have outline plans for trips to Scandinavia/Arctic, Greece and probably Spain, together with various day trips. 

    It would be good to have suggestions or requests for destinations or routes from anyone contemplating joining a trip or from anyone with local knowledge, and as ever from anyone prepared to lead a trip. I hope to publish a more detailed list of trips with dates in the next two weeks or so. Am happy to discuss any ideas via email or phone at any time (numbers in Europa Flyer) 

    Happy New Year and safe landings!   David Joyce, Europa Club Trips organiser

Jim Kelly

Joined: 25 Jan 2014
Posts: 70
Location: England

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:16 am Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Thanks David, Happy new year and please keep me posted.

 Jim Kelly 

On 2 Jan 2017 10:50 a.m.,  <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		    

Â  Â  I am pleased to say that rumours of my demise (or my aeroplane's) are premature and GXSDJ is well on the way to resurrection and should be flying in time for me to be fully involved in Trips this year. At the moment we have outline plans for trips to Scandinavia/Arctic, Greece and probably Spain, together with various day trips. 

Â  Â  It would be good to have suggestions or requests for destinations or routes from anyone contemplating joining a trip or from anyone with local knowledge, and as ever from anyone prepared to lead a trip. I hope to publish a more detailed list of trips with dates in the next two weeks or so. Am happy to discuss any ideas via email or phone at any time (numbers in Europa Flyer) 

Â  Â  Happy New Year and safe landings! Â  David Joyce, Europa Club Trips organiser Â

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flee3722(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:07 am Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

David,do you still have wings for sale?Thanks,



Francis

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 5:47 AM,  <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    

Â  Â  I am pleased to say that rumours of my demise (or my aeroplane's) are premature and GXSDJ is well on the way to resurrection and should be flying in time for me to be fully involved in Trips this year. At the moment we have outline plans for trips to Scandinavia/Arctic, Greece and probably Spain, together with various day trips. 

Â  Â  It would be good to have suggestions or requests for destinations or routes from anyone contemplating joining a trip or from anyone with local knowledge, and as ever from anyone prepared to lead a trip. I hope to publish a more detailed list of trips with dates in the next two weeks or so. Am happy to discuss any ideas via email or phone at any time (numbers in Europa Flyer) 

Â  Â  Happy New Year and safe landings! Â  David Joyce, Europa Club Trips organiser Â

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:15 am Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Francis, No, Sorry. Have found new homes for everything except one windscreen, tinted.  

Regards, David 

   

 

On 2017-01-03 08:06, Francis Lee wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		   David,do you still have wings for sale?Thanks,  

 Francis

 

  On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 5:47 AM, <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)> wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		    

    I am pleased to say that rumours of my demise (or my aeroplane's) are premature and GXSDJ is well on the way to resurrection and should be flying in time for me to be fully involved in Trips this year. At the moment we have outline plans for trips to Scandinavia/Arctic, Greece and probably Spain, together with various day trips. 

    It would be good to have suggestions or requests for destinations or routes from anyone contemplating joining a trip or from anyone with local knowledge, and as ever from anyone prepared to lead a trip. I hope to publish a more detailed list of trips with dates in the next two weeks or so. Am happy to discuss any ideas via email or phone at any time (numbers in Europa Flyer) 

    Happy New Year and safe landings!   David Joyce, Europa Club Trips organiser

graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

I'd like to do a round trip around 3 nights or so. Maybe south France, Germany or Spain. Sounds like its too short for you marathon boys

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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

I'd like to do a round trip around 3 nights or so. Maybe south France, Germany or Spain. Sounds like its too short for you marathon boys

dpark748(at)icloud.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Three nights would get you to Segovia and back if you want to join the Spain trip which is now provisionally scheduled end of June? 



Dave Park

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 I'd like to do a round trip around 3 nights or so. Maybe south France, Germany or Spain. Sounds like its too short for you marathon boys 

 

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 Graeme Bird

 G-UMPY -  Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 &amp; SD on Nexus,

 250 hours &amp; 4 years on the Mono, 880 total

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Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

I'd like to join in for a daytrip in Germany or adjacend country. For sure I'll be at Texel again this year.I'd also like to take part in the club's AGM, if the weather will be better this year.

Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI 

XS TG 914

milneab(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:31 pm Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Hi Roland,



Would be delighted if you could join in on a Europa Club tour and also to

the AGM.  One tour is being planned to Finland but all the details of this

year's tours will be on the website shortly and in the Europa Flyer.

 

I look forward to our meeting again.



Alasdair 



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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

A loop round Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Orkney's and home looks doable in my timescales; I guess many of you have done it. Any recommendations on stop overs? I have done south of France a couple of times, well at least Toulouse and Biscaros.

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:49 pm Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Graeme, If you are going that way, Hoganas, ESMH just on the Swedish side of the narrow water between Denmark & Sweden is a great airfield, I think probably the best set up GA airfield I have come across. It has rooms and a kitchen on site and very helpful locals, three grass runways and a splendid fishing port with great seafood restaurant just down the road. 

   That itinery seems a tad ambitious for three days, particularly as it includes Orkneys and Scotland, where Wx is rarely favourable. If you confine yourself to mainland Europe you can generally modify your route as you go along to avoid the worst Wx. We failed to find a single day this last summer when it was suitable to do aDawn to Dusk Challenge visiting all Scottish islands in one day! 

Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ 

   

 

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A loop round Holland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Orkney's and home looks doable in my timescales; I guess many of you have done it. Any recommendations on stop overs? I have done south of France a couple of times, well at least Toulouse and Biscaros.



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G-UMPY -  Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 &amp; SD on Nexus,

250 hours &amp; 4 years on the Mono, 880 total

g(at)gdbmk.co.uk





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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Good advice, thanks. 2016 was a funny year weather wise, but I flew more and further than any previous years. I could extend a bit and plan a contingency route back retracing my steps the Spain trip sounds interesting too.

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:03 am Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Roland, Would you perhaps like to organise a trip to somewhere interesting and invite other Europa pilots to join you? I will happily advertise it in the Europa Flyer and the website. The same applies to all European  members. It would be very good to have some tours not originating in the UK 

Regards, David Joyce, EC Trips organiser 

   

 

On 2017-01-06 07:30, Alasdair Milne wrote: [quote] [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alasdair Milne" <milneab(at)btinternet.com (milneab(at)btinternet.com)>  Hi Roland,  Would be delighted if you could join in on a Europa Club tour and also to the AGM.  One tour is being planned to Finland but all the details of this year's tours will be on the website shortly and in the Europa Flyer.   I look forward to our meeting again.  Alasdair   --

Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Hello David,



as a matter of fact we are a couple of Europa pilots here in Germany and the Netherlands and we sometimes organise a little DOTH by e-mail. Unfortunately I don't have that much time for longer trips mostly due to family commitments (two little children).



It might be a good idea to join the OUV-summer meeting (the OUV "Oskar-Ursinus-Vereinigung" is the german counterpart of the LAA) in Bad DÃ¼rkheim http://www.edrf.de/ . This event is much smaller as the annual LAA-rallye. Bad DÃ¼rkheim is located quite central in West-Germany in the Rhein-Main area and also a famous wine-growing district. 



I will ask Jens, the president of the OUV and a Europa builder and -pilot as well (D-EJJG), if we can use the event also to show up with some additional Europas. If not, we could probably arrange something else in a relaxed frame.



Also highly to recommend is the fly-in Wyk https://flugplatz-wyk.jimdo.com/fly-in/ on the FÃ¶hr island in Northern Germany from the 6th - 8th August (Stefan from Norway tried to organise a Europa fly-in there in 2015, which unfortunately was cancelled on short notice due to bad weather). I was there last year and met at least 2 other Europa-pilots  Camping under the wing is a matter of course there.....



I'll come back to that later. 



Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI

XS TG 914

Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Hi David and all,



after reply from Jens I'm pleased to let you know, that all Europa-pilots are very welcome at the OUV-summer meeting, which will take place at



Bad DÃ¼rkheim EDRF from 16th-18th June 2017



Mogas is available at EDRF and no landing fees will be charged on arrival.   



More details will follow (accomodation/camping, restaurants, daytrips....).



So please save the date by now! And David, please advertise also for the club-members.



Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI

XS TG 914

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:26 am Post subject: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Graeme, If you like to plan an actual itinerary + dates, I am happy to advertise it, with you as organiser. You will almost certainly attract some seasoned flyers so there should be ample expertise within the group, but in any case we can happily give any help needed ahead of times if there is uncertainty about flight plans, customs or whatever.  You almost seem to be suggesting the sort of approach we have used for the Last of the Summer Wine trips, where we have looked at 4 nights and easy flying with no more than one leg per day (not counting a customs stop on the way to /from France). The other thing that springs to mind is that there are several foreign rallies that lend themselves to trips of that sort - details will appear I the upcoming Europa Flyer. 

Regards, David 

   

 

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I'd like to do a round trip around 3 nights or so. Maybe south France, Germany or Spain. Sounds like its too short for you marathon boys 



--------

Graeme Bird

G-UMPY -  Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis ap, pflarm, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP 5, Aera500 &amp; SD on Nexus,

250 hours &amp; 4 years on the Mono, 880 total

g(at)gdbmk.co.uk





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carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 120

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Hi Roland,



I'm interested in this three day trip, but I've never flown in Europe. Do you know if anyone else from the UK has shown an interest in this event? I'd appreciate tagging along with someone who has some experience (plus it would be more fun).



Regards

Carl

G-URMS

 	  Roland wrote: 	
		  Hi David and all,



after reply from Jens I'm pleased to let you know, that all Europa-pilots are very welcome at the OUV-summer meeting, which will take place at



Bad DÃ¼rkheim EDRF from 16th-18th June 2017



Mogas is available at EDRF and no landing fees will be charged on arrival.   



More details will follow (accomodation/camping, restaurants, daytrips....).



So please save the date by now! And David, please advertise also for the club-members.



Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI

XS TG 914

Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Hi Carl,



great, that you are planning to come - of course you are (like all Europa pilots) most welcome! I have got no confirmation of a UK-pilot yet and I noticed in the new Europa-flyer, that the club AGM is fixed also on that weekend, so that unfortunately some of the "usual subjects" will rather join the AGM I guess.



VFR flying in Germany is very straightforward because of its simple airspace structure. I've flown to the UK from western Germany and I can say, that flying in Belgium and France aren't difficult either. You are usually in contact with Lille Info and Brussels Info anyway.



Let me know, if I can help you somehow.



Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI

XS TG 914

carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 120

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Well. With or without other Europa pilots I'm planning to come.



I've only familiar with flying in the UK. I have lots of questions. I hope you don't mind.



1. Are there any differences in RT procedures in other counties? 

2. Is the handover procedure between counties in Europe the same as between the UK and France?

3. I assume I have to land at a customs in France before continuing. Is that correct?

4. Do I have to land at customs in each country?

5. How many flight plans do I need to file - one end-to-end plan or one per country?



Perhaps it would be better to chat on the phone? If you email me privately I can send you my contact details.



All the best.

Carl

cparkinson(at)cisc-uk.com

Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: Trips 2017 UK/Europe

Hello Carl,



well, I'm not exactly an expert in flying abroad, although I've done it a few times.



As for your questions:



RT procedures are essentially the same in France, Belgium and Germany. All speak perfect English (okay, not as perfect as you of course  You won't hear "pass your message" when they reply like in the UK. Generally you'll get the new frequency on handover to the next station, if you don't have it already dialled in your radio. Just log in with Lille Information, Brussels Information, Langen Information.   



You don't need to clear customs, but only immigrations when entering the EU from the UK AFAIK. You don't even need to land on an international Airport to do so, although that might make things easier. If you need to refuel anyway, Calais might be a good stop for you. From there you can cross borders freely within Schengen states like France, Belgium, Germany.... If you are planning to fly to Bad DÃ¼rkheim nonstop, I can check for you, if you can clear immigration there.



You need to file a flight plan for international flights. When you've landed, you have to close the plan with the appropriate AIS (often AFIS offers this service on request, but in Bad DÃ¼rkheim I can do this for you of course. When you fly back to the UK, you have to file the GAR of course.     



Keep asking questions and I'll answer them - if I can 



Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI

XS TG 914

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