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Packed up many kolbs for transit. Trick is no matter what trailer or configuration, get a roll of cellophane plastic and wrap it up nice and tight and tape it with gorilla tape. Stays dry and wind doesnt whip it.
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1. 09:01 AM - road transport question (Charlie England)
2. 09:38 AM - Re: road transport question (william sullivan)
3. 11:10 AM - Re: road transport question (Charlie England)
4. 11:21 AM - Re: road transport question (Herb)
5. 11:38 AM - Re: road transport question (Larry Cottrell)
6. 12:19 PM - Re: road transport question (George Helton)
7. 01:49 PM - Re: road transport question (Charlie England)
8. 01:56 PM - Re: road transport question (Charlie England)
9. 02:02 PM - Re: road transport question (Gary Aman)
10. 02:10 PM - Re: road transport question (George Helton)
11. 02:34 PM - Re: road transport question (west1m)
12. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: road transport question (Charlie England)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 09:01:29 AM PST US
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Subject: road transport question
Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively
searching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying
project a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely
disassembled.
My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is
needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're
complete but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already
sandblasted & repainted). Could this project be transported using, for
instance, a mid size car towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically
used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the
wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size
concerns me.
What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?
Thanks,
Charlie
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:38:59 AM PST US
From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: road transport question
Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard pickup truck,
with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car trailer.
Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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On Sat, 3/18/17, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: road transport question
Could this project be
transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a
small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to
haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build
a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight
shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.
What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack
on it (no trailer)?
Thanks,
Charlie
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 11:10:14 AM PST US
Subject: Re: road transport question
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:
>
> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard pickup
truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car trailer.
> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>
It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the
paperwork front.
I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, but
it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really want
to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to pull
behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling something as
heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really quick; the
plane is ~600 miles away.
If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.
Many thanks,
Charlie
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 11:21:05 AM PST US
Subject: Re: road transport question
From: Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>
Charlie
Find yourself a decent boat trailer...reinstall the wings and support
them at the rear...three or four feet in front of the tail... lay a 2x12
toward the front to hold the main gear...same at the rear with a pedstal
that is well cushioned to hold the boom tube...roll/lift it on and fold
the wings last...I use good strength , winching type straps to hold the
wheels and 2/12's in place..Herb
> On 03/18/2017 01:11 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:
>> <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>>
>> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard
>> pickup truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car
>> trailer.
>> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem.
>>
>> Bill
>> Sullivan
>> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>>
> It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the
> paperwork front.
>
> I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18,
> but it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really
> want to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to
> pull behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling
> something as heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really
> quick; the plane is ~600 miles away.
>
> If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
--
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies
give way to tyranny."
Aristotle
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 11:38:09 AM PST US
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: road transport question
Charlie I pulled a 24 foot home made trailer with a firestar ii from
Lincoln Neb with a Subaru legacy to Klamath Falls Oregon. The key is - can
you keep the wings from being damaged. The cage and the rest should be no
problem. I hauled mine with it only folded.
Larry
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:
>>
>> williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>>
>> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard
>> pickup truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car
>> trailer.
>> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem.
>>
>> Bill Sullivan
>> Windsor
>> Locks, Ct.
>>
>> It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the
> paperwork front.
>
> I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, but
> it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really want to
> go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to pull behind a
> 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling something as heavy as a
> car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really quick; the plane is ~600
> miles away.
>
> If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 12:19:27 PM PST US
From: George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: road transport question
Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find somethin
g fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like t
he engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wi
ng rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover w
ell. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of m
y shop wing rack.
Have a great day!
> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote
:
>
> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively sea
rching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying projec
t a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassemble
d.
>
> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is n
eeded for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete
but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repai
nted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car
towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ U
TV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I
know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.
>
> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 01:49:43 PM PST US
Subject: Re: road transport question
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Sounds good, if it was an assembled a/c. It's not. As I said, the
individual components are complete, but the cage is bare; not mounted to
the big tube, and nothing is attached to anything else. Right now it's
just a big quickbuild kit. 
If the wings are around 15', it would seem that it's doable on the 8'
trailer if I use a bit of overhang on both ends.
Charlie
> On 3/18/2017 1:20 PM, Herb wrote:
>
> Charlie
>
> Find yourself a decent boat trailer...reinstall the wings and
> support them at the rear...three or four feet in front of the tail...
> lay a 2x12 toward the front to hold the main gear...same at the rear
> with a pedstal that is well cushioned to hold the boom
> tube...roll/lift it on and fold the wings last...I use good strength ,
> winching type straps to hold the wheels and 2/12's in place..Herb
>
>
>> On 03/18/2017 01:11 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote:
>>> <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>>>
>>> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a
>>> standard pickup truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a
>>> U-Haul car trailer.
>>> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem.
>>>
>>> Bill Sullivan
>>> Windsor Locks, Ct.
>>>
>> It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the
>> paperwork front.
>>
>> I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18,
>> but it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really
>> want to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to
>> pull behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling
>> something as heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive
>> really quick; the plane is ~600 miles away.
>>
>> If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 01:56:24 PM PST US
Subject: Re: road transport question
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Thanks for the pic; looks just like what we RV-x guys use for our wings.
Are you saying that the rack pictured would be adequate for road
transport of the wings? Are the leading edges strong enough to support
the wing weight on a couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that
would simplify my task considerably. The rest of the stuff I can deal
with, but the wings concern me. I was envisioning something more like a
couple of heavily padded shelves as big as the wing(s).
> On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote:
> Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find something
fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like the
engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wing rack,
wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover well.
If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of my shop
wing rack.
>
>
> Have a great day!
>
>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively searching
for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying project a/c.
It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassembled.
>>
>> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is needed
for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete but
disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repainted).
Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing
a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd
obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight
shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.
>>
>> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 02:02:11 PM PST US
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: road transport question
We use 4" foam rubber
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>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the pic; looks just like what we RV-x guys use for our wings. A
re you saying that the rack pictured would be adequate for road transport of
the wings? Are the leading edges strong enough to support the wing weight o
n a couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that would simplify my task c
onsiderably. The rest of the stuff I can deal with, but the wings concern me
. I was envisioning something more like a couple of heavily padded shelves a
s big as the wing(s).
>
>> On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote:
>> Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find somet
hing fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff li
ke the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in goo
d wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and co
ver well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture
of my shop wing rack.
>>
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wro
te:
>>>
>>> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively s
earching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying proj
ect a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassemb
led.
>>>
>>> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is
needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're comple
te but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & rep
ainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size c
ar towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts
/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tub
e. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.
>>>
>>> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 02:10:49 PM PST US
From: George Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: road transport question
I would actually prefer either adding a couple more straps inboard to this d
esign. I would use some dense foam where the leading edges rest. I'd use som
e light straps to hold the wings in place. Wings need to be covered to keep a
ir blast from go in between.
Have a great day!
George ( Maddog )
>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the pic; looks just like what we RV-x guys use for our wings. A
re you saying that the rack pictured would be adequate for road transport of
the wings? Are the leading edges strong enough to support the wing weight o
n a couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that would simplify my task c
onsiderably. The rest of the stuff I can deal with, but the wings concern me
. I was envisioning something more like a couple of heavily padded shelves a
s big as the wing(s).
>
>> On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote:
>> Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find somet
hing fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff li
ke the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in goo
d wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and co
ver well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture
of my shop wing rack.
>>
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wro
te:
>>>
>>> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively s
earching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying proj
ect a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassemb
led.
>>>
>>> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is
needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're comple
te but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & rep
ainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size c
ar towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts
/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tub
e. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me.
>>>
>>> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 02:34:58 PM PST US
Subject: Re: road transport question
From: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>
My money is on the boat trailer. I brought home a Quicksilver from Wichita (to
Saint Paul, MN) using a boat trailer and later brought home my Firefly on a boat
trailer from New York. I think it cost me more in tolls than gas!
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467452#467452
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer2_597.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer1_128.jpg
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 03:19:51 PM PST US
From: Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: road transport question
My T-18 trailer actually looks a lot like that, except the axle is farther
aft to support the weight of the T18's Lyc engine.
Thanks for all the suggestions; I'll likely head down there with a stack
of 2x4's, several sheets of plywood, and a trunk full of pads & foam sheets.
Charlie
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 4:34 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My money is on the boat trailer. I brought home a Quicksilver from Wichita
> (to Saint Paul, MN) using a boat trailer and later brought home my Firefly
> on a boat trailer from New York. I think it cost me more in tolls than gas!
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467452#467452
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer2_597.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer1_128.jpg
>
>
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