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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Vgs Reply with quote
For 900 hours I figured I had a good handling plane... I had an expensive lesson at 118 hours,   I was too close to the ground to recover...  afterwards  I modified the way I flew the plane..
For years I refused the thought of vgs.   After putting them on,,, wish I had done it long long ago.  I would say don't knock it till you try it.
I truly believe that if I had had vgs on the horizontals,  my expensive lesson would have been a non event.
Boyd

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject: Vgs Reply with quote
Should have thought to add,,,   if you try vgs and don't like them,  I promise to listen and try to learn.   At that point let's compare notes.
If you reject vgs on principle,,, you are now where I was a few months ago.
My position is clear and have backed it up with numbers.  If you are apposed, let me see your numbers., Angles, speeds,responsiveness, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Vgs Reply with quote
Clip"""And on the subject of VG s on stab, aren't they usually placed just ahead of the
hinge line where the air is going to break as it goes over the elevator not
up near the leading edge???"""end clip
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The instructions from John Gilpen say to install the vgs at 4 inches forward of the elevator hinge.  If I had more vg sticky pads,  I may have re tested by removed the vgs, and  reinstalling them further forward.  Then either move them back to the 4 inch location or leave them in the forward position depending on results.  
My thinking of why to put them further forward was a combination of a couple ideas.  1. In a further forward position, there would be more    'time / distance' for the vortex to develop.   2. Similar concept but a different way to look at it.  On the wing we know that the vgs maintain better aileron control.  The aileron is 3 1/2 feet back from the vgs.  The question in my mind, if the vortexes are adding benefit 3 1/2 plus feet back,  why limit it to 4 inches.
There is a good chance someone has tested in this manner and that is why 4 inches is the recommendation.  If any of you know, please pass on the information.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Vgs Reply with quote
Clip  " Yes, I miss ole Buford too.
>"  End clip
As interesting as the original conversation about vgs got way back when,,,,   Buford kept a fence of humour about it all....
He posted to the list a photo of him wearing a helmet,  vgs taped on it all the way around,  vgs on the bottom of the wing,  with a big stogie protruding from a giant grin.
O don't recall the caption,  but left me with the impression,,,  if a few vgs on top are good,   then putting them everywhere is better.
I also miss Buford.
Boyd Young
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject: Vgs Reply with quote
Boyd - has Beauford died? I dint hear about it. If so, why’d he do that??
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Clip " Yes, I miss ole Buford too. >" End clip
As interesting as the original conversation about vgs got way back when,,,, Buford kept a fence of humour about it all....
He posted to the list a photo of him wearing a helmet, vgs taped on it all the way around, vgs on the bottom of the wing, with a big stogie protruding from a giant grin.
O don't recall the caption, but left me with the impression,,, if a few vgs on top are good, then putting them everywhere is better.
I also miss Buford.
Boyd Young
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject: Vgs Reply with quote
I don't have any knowledge of his breathing status / health or lack thereof.    The vgs on the helmet and bottom of the wing was 100 % for laughs and to lighten up the mood on the list.
Boyd Young

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> Boyd - has Beauford died? I dint hear about it. 

> If so, why’d he do that??
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:57 pm    Post subject: Vgs Reply with quote
I realize that; thought it was mildly hilarious!
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On Apr 6, 2017, at 9:41 PM, B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com (byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

I don't have any knowledge of his breathing status / health or lack thereof. The vgs on the helmet and bottom of the wing was 100 % for laughs and to lighten up the mood on the list.
Boyd Young
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clip > Boyd - has Beauford died? I dint hear about it. > If so, why’d he do that?? End vlip


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Vgs Reply with quote
I am pretty sure that Beauford had a very serious stroke. He was a huge asset to this group.

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