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flyingphil2

Joined: 04 Dec 2009
Posts: 117

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:30 am Post subject: Empty Weight

Hi,



I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear.  Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)?  Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum.



Thanks,



Phil

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stevenwpitt(at)me.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:56 am Post subject: Empty Weight

876lbs at last count

Steve Pitt



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		   On 18 Apr 2017, at 11:30, flyingphil2 <flyingphil627-europastuff(at)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi,

 

 I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear.  Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)?  Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum.

 

 Thanks,

 

 Phil

 

 

 

 

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:28 am Post subject: Empty Weight

Phil,



My ex-mono, converted to tri is 913 lbs empty (at) 59.3 in.



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com



On Apr 18, 2017, at 5:30 AM, flyingphil2 <flyingphil627-europastuff(at)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:






Hi,



I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear.  Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)?  Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum.



Thanks,



Phil

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Rick Moss

Joined: 21 Sep 2014
Posts: 96

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Empty Weight

878lbs (or 397.5kg in my preferred units) with spats, cushions and everything else actually used for flight.



XS Trigear (and built as such) with 912S and Airmaster CS prop.

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JonathanMilbank

Joined: 14 Apr 2012
Posts: 391
Location: Aberdeen area

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:46 am Post subject: Re: Empty Weight

868 lbs. Mine started out as a Classic mono with 912 80 hp and fixed Warp Drive prop. Over the years it has evolved firstly to Airmaster VP, then 912S in Classic cowls, then tri-gear, and recently to Nev Eyre cowls and engine bearer with XS style duct and radiator, but retaining the Classic oil cooler.



So effectively mine is now a tri-gear XS with Airmaster prop and no spats, pants or speed kit; just bare legs and hinges. Therefore my 868 lbs makes sense compared with Rick Moss' 878 lbs. My wings are a little shorter and lighter than XS wings.



I started out 20 years ago at 782 lbs! ( Sob! )

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:15 am Post subject: Empty Weight

837lbs Mono, XS, 914, woodcomp SR 3000W, speed kit, autopilot & v full panel, gelcoat finish. Includes 3 lbs lead in tail to give ideal COG. 

       That is a good weight in the sense that I can have full fuel, lots of luggage and two pax of my size (6- 2" & 82 kg) How to achieve it?  Think light from the start. Don't add anything you do not really need and always think is there a lighter way of doing this. Use correct, relatively dry mix for lay ups & always use peel ply. Forget steam age instrumentation. Do not fit heavy leather fixed upholstery. Cushions are much lighter and more flexible. Do not use the sort of paint scheme that needs 5 undercoats, a UV coat or two and several overcoats. Don't paint close outs and other areas that are not visible or exposed to sunlight. Gel coat is UV opaque and needs just the single coat, most of which you wet & dry off! David Joyce, GXSDJ 

   

 

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Hi,



I would like to canvas opinion of what is a good or low empty weight for a Europa XS tri-gear.  Would anyone be willing to share their empty weights with me (mono XS owners welcome)?  Feel free to PM if you don't want to share the info on the forum.



Thanks,



Phil





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Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Empty Weight

407 kg with an Airmaster CS-Prop. Kit was started as a Mono converted to Trigear.



Regards

Roland

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dpark748(at)icloud.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:54 am Post subject: Empty Weight

G-LDVO MONO converted to TRIKE. Recently after some changes 903lbs.

LiPobattery and lead weight out of fin, leather seats replaced with fiberglas. 

Full panel and autopilot and Airmaster prop.

Dave 

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		   On 18 Apr 2017, at 17:14, Rick Moss <Rkwmoss(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 878lbs (or 397.5kg in my preferred units) with spats, cushions and everything else actually used for flight.

 

 XS Trigear (and built as such) with 912S and Airmaster CS prop.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468586#468586

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Burrilla

Joined: 25 Apr 2015
Posts: 187

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:05 am Post subject: Empty Weight

G-OBJT Tri-gear as built.

875 lbs with 912S and WarpDrive fixed Pitch, speed kit and wing leveller, GRT EFIS and EMS.

Currently looking at options for adding an Airmaster CS Prop which will require Battery moving aft of firewall for W&B.

Alan

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		   On 20 Apr 2017, at 15:53, david park <dpark748(at)icloud.com> wrote:

 G-LDVO MONO converted to TRIKE. Recently after some changes 903lbs.

 LiPobattery and lead weight out of fin, leather seats replaced with fiberglas. 

 Full panel and autopilot and Airmaster prop.

 Dave 

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