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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:53 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Ever since Dynon came out with the Y/D option for the Rv10, i have been interested. As I have investigated the prospect, however, there is something a bit odd about the issue that I would like to clarify before I commit. 

Dynon openly markets their part of the package for both the 10 and the 14. 



Dynon sells the servo and the control arm kit for the package and tells you that you have to get the "bracket kit" from Van's.



This is the part where it seems a little strange. When you contact Van's about a bracket kit for the yaw damper, they will tell you that they have a kit and that it sells for $160. That in its own right seems high by Van's standards for a servo bracket when their other servo brackets sell for $118, but that's not the primary issue.  What seems odd to me is that Van's will tell you that the bracket kit they sell is for the RV14. Hmmm. They will tell you that the bracket "should" be able to be used for a 10 "with some modification".  If you ask if the are instructions included for the 10 modification they emphatically say no.

This doesn't seem right to me. There are at least 10 times the rv10's out there than 14's. Because of the whole theory of yaw dampening anyway, it seems like the bulk of the benefit would be for the rear pax in the 10. Even as the most expensive model in the fleet, it stands to reason that the market potential for the 10 is greater for the product. 

It seems to me that if extensive design and testing work were done to create this for the 14, there must be some artificial reason that it isn't being directly marketed "openly" for the 10.  

The whole process just seems outside of Van's usual superb way of design and marketing. Like there is something holding them back, or more to the story, but they can't/won't say what it is. Hopefully it is something innocuous, but I would like to know before taking the plunge. 



Has anyone actually installed the package in a 10?  Pireps?

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mhealydds

Joined: 17 May 2015
Posts: 30
Location: Wichita, KS

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Rv10 yaw damper

I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well. The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so it  fits OK. There really is no modification other than the wiring scheme (looks like a series of molex connections in -14) that is sold with the -14 with not wrok on the -10, but all structural components fit fine. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:26 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Interesting discussion.  Does anyone really need it?

I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

Linn

Sent from Samsung tablet cruising on the Allure Of The Seas.

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Date: 06/30/2017  7:42 AM  (GMT-05:00) 

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--> RV10-List message posted by: "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com>



I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well. The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so it  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.





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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Rv10 yaw damper

Thanks Mhealy. 



Nice to know that it's an easy adaptation. Still seems odd that they can't remove the (useless to 10 owners) electrical connection stuff, reduce the price accordingly, and create a bona fide 10 kit. I would hate to think that they see selling unnecessary material as a revenue generator. 

Hope your tail is less swishy in the bumps.

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Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:06 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Historically on the the RV-10 the consensus is that it isn't needed.  

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com> on behalf of Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com>

 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:21:54 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Re: Rv10 yaw damper  

 

  Interesting discussion.  Does anyone really need it?

 I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

 Linn

 

 

 Sent from Samsung tablet cruising on the Allure Of The Seas.

 

 

 -------- Original message --------

 >From mhealydds <mhealydds(at)gmail.com> 

 Date: 06/30/2017 7:42 AM (GMT-05:00) 

 To rv10-list(at)matronics.com 

 Subject Re: Rv10 yaw damper 

 

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com>

 

 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well.  The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so it  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane  which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator  servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

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civengpe

Joined: 14 Feb 2011
Posts: 105

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:53 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Needed? No.Â 



Awesome? Heck yes!



I decided to install a yaw dampener, because I feared cutting my beautifully straight rudder to accommodate an electric trim tab. It was relatively inexpensive ($800) compared to the rest of the gizmos on the plane and has been amazing in use. Â 

Last week we encountered some really bad turbulence coming into Houston and the ball stayed centered no matter how much we we're getting tossed around.Â 

In the end, this falls into the personal preference realm.Â 

If I were to build another -10 I would do the yaw dampener hands down.Â 

Shannon



On Jun 30, 2017 12:08 PM, "Bob Leffler" <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		           Historically on the the RV-10 the consensus is that it isn't needed. Â 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)>

 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:21:54 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: Re: Rv10 yaw damper Â 

 

  Interesting discussion.Â  Does anyone really need it?

 I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

 Linn

 

 

 Sent from Samsung tablet cruising on the Allure Of The Seas.

 

 

 -------- Original message --------

 >From mhealydds <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)> 

 Date: 06/30/2017 7:42 AM (GMT-05:00) 

 To rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject Re: Rv10 yaw damper 

 

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)>

 

 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well.  The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so itÂ  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane  which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator  servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:40 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Does the yaw damper take care of rudder trim without the automatic trim box?



On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Needed? No.Â 



Awesome? Heck yes!



I decided to install a yaw dampener, because I feared cutting my beautifully straight rudder to accommodate an electric trim tab. It was relatively inexpensive ($800) compared to the rest of the gizmos on the plane and has been amazing in use. Â 

Last week we encountered some really bad turbulence coming into Houston and the ball stayed centered no matter how much we we're getting tossed around.Â 

In the end, this falls into the personal preference realm.Â 

If I were to build another -10 I would do the yaw dampener hands down.Â 

Shannon



On Jun 30, 2017 12:08 PM, "Bob Leffler" <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		           Historically on the the RV-10 the consensus is that it isn't needed. Â 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)>

 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:21:54 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: Re: Rv10 yaw damper Â 

 

  Interesting discussion.Â  Does anyone really need it?

 I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

 Linn

 

 

 Sent from Samsung tablet cruising on the Allure Of The Seas.

 

 

 -------- Original message --------

 >From mhealydds <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)> 

 Date: 06/30/2017 7:42 AM (GMT-05:00) 

 To rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject Re: Rv10 yaw damper 

 

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)>

 

 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well.  The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so itÂ  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane  which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator  servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470607#470607

 

 

 

 

 

 

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civengpe

Joined: 14 Feb 2011
Posts: 105

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:50 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

It works independently of the roll auto trim. At least I'd does on the trutrak system.Â 





Shannon



On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM Kevin Belue <kdb.rv10(at)gmail.com (kdb.rv10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Does the yaw damper take care of rudder trim without the automatic trim box?

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Needed? No.Â 



Awesome? Heck yes!



I decided to install a yaw dampener, because I feared cutting my beautifully straight rudder to accommodate an electric trim tab. It was relatively inexpensive ($800) compared to the rest of the gizmos on the plane and has been amazing in use. Â 

Last week we encountered some really bad turbulence coming into Houston and the ball stayed centered no matter how much we we're getting tossed around.Â 

In the end, this falls into the personal preference realm.Â 

If I were to build another -10 I would do the yaw dampener hands down.Â 

Shannon



On Jun 30, 2017 12:08 PM, "Bob Leffler" <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		           Historically on the the RV-10 the consensus is that it isn't needed. Â 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)>

 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:21:54 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: Re: Rv10 yaw damper Â 

 

  Interesting discussion.Â  Does anyone really need it?

 I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

 Linn

 

 

 Sent from Samsung tablet cruising on the Allure Of The Seas.

 

 

 -------- Original message --------

 >From mhealydds <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)> 

 Date: 06/30/2017 7:42 AM (GMT-05:00) 

 To rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject Re: Rv10 yaw damper 

 

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)>

 

 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well.  The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so itÂ  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane  which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator  servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470607#470607

 

 

 

 

 

 

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philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:59 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Does the AP have to be engaged?   Or can it be enabled without engaging the AP?



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  It works independently of the roll auto trim. At least I'd does on the trutrak system. 





Shannon



On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM Kevin Belue <kdb.rv10(at)gmail.com (kdb.rv10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Does the yaw damper take care of rudder trim without the automatic trim box?

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Needed? No. 



Awesome? Heck yes!



I decided to install a yaw dampener, because I feared cutting my beautifully straight rudder to accommodate an electric trim tab. It was relatively inexpensive ($800) compared to the rest of the gizmos on the plane and has been amazing in use.  

Last week we encountered some really bad turbulence coming into Houston and the ball stayed centered no matter how much we we're getting tossed around. 

In the end, this falls into the personal preference realm. 

If I were to build another -10 I would do the yaw dampener hands down. 

Shannon



On Jun 30, 2017 12:08 PM, "Bob Leffler" <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		           Historically on the the RV-10 the consensus is that it isn't needed.  

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

 

  From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> on behalf of Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)>

 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:21:54 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: RE: Re: Rv10 yaw damper  

 

  Interesting discussion.  Does anyone really need it?

 I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

 Linn

 

 

 Sent from Samsung tablet cruising on the Allure Of The Seas.

 

 

 -------- Original message --------

 >From mhealydds <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)> 

 Date: 06/30/2017 7:42 AM (GMT-05:00) 

 To rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject Re: Rv10 yaw damper 

 

 

 --> RV10-List message posted by: "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com (mhealydds(at)gmail.com)>

 

 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well.  The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so it  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane  which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator  servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470607#470607

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:10 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

There is another way that's even cheaper. I didn't want to cut my rudder either so I used the stock elevator spring bias system to make a rudder spring bias system.

2 pieces of cable are attached to the rudder at the horn. One goes directly to the spring but the other goes to a pulley and then to the other spring. I mounted the pulley on a bracket bolted to the back of the battery tray/elevator bellcrank box. 

The stock elevator spring bias assy is not modified and bolts to the bottom skin straddling a stringer.

In practice right rudder is not normally needed but long, fast descents need some left.

(Another builder uses a spring bias system attached to the rudder pedals.)

Albert Gardner

RV-10 N991RV

Yuma, AZ

Shannon Hicks



I decided to install a yaw dampener, because I feared cutting my beautifully straight rudder to accommodate an electric trim tab. It was relatively inexpensive ($800) compared to the rest of the gizmos on the plane and has been amazing in use.  



Shannon

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:17 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

On Garmin, there is a yaw button to engage the yaw system. The yaw system trims to release pressure to appropriate required hands off trim. Works fantastic.



Gaylon Koenning





On Jun 30, 2017, at 13:58, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Does the AP have to be engaged?   Or can it be enabled without engaging the AP?



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  It works independently of the roll auto trim. At least I'd does on the trutrak system. 





Shannon



On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM Kevin Belue <kdb.rv10(at)gmail.com (kdb.rv10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  Does the yaw damper take care of rudder trim without the automatic trim box?

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Needed? No. 



Awesome? Heck yes!



I decided to install a yaw dampener, because I feared cutting my beautifully straight rudder to accommodate an electric trim tab. It was relatively inexpensive ($800) compared to the rest of the gizmos on the plane and has been amazing in use.  

Last week we encountered some really bad turbulence coming into Houston and the ball stayed centered no matter how much we we're getting tossed around. 

In the end, this falls into the personal preference realm. 

If I were to build another -10 I would do the yaw dampener hands down. 

Shannon



On Jun 30, 2017 12:08 PM, "Bob Leffler" <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		           Historically on the the RV-10 the consensus is that it isn't needed.  

 

 

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  Interesting discussion.  Does anyone really need it?

 I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

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 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well.  The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so it  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane  which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator  servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:02 pm Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Phil,My set up requires the AP do be engaged for the YD to function.Â  I believe Garmin and TruTrak have a button to engage the YD independently.Â  IN prctice, I fly with AP on 90% of the time, so it works for me.Â  I flew almost my entire phase 1 (40) with it disconnected and the only time, It bothered me was long straight flights where I would have the AP on anyway. Â 

OH, that reminds me, My roll servo failed leaving Sun-n-fun this year, so I had to hand fly all the way back to Houston with 45kt headwinds.Â  THAT SUCKED!!!!

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  Does the AP have to be engaged? Â  Or can it be enabled without engaging the AP?



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On Jun 30, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  It works independently of the roll auto trim. At least I'd does on the trutrak system.Â 





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		  Does the yaw damper take care of rudder trim without the automatic trim box?

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  Needed? No.Â 



Awesome? Heck yes!



I decided to install a yaw dampener, because I feared cutting my beautifully straight rudder to accommodate an electric trim tab. It was relatively inexpensive ($800) compared to the rest of the gizmos on the plane and has been amazing in use. Â 

Last week we encountered some really bad turbulence coming into Houston and the ball stayed centered no matter how much we we're getting tossed around.Â 

In the end, this falls into the personal preference realm.Â 

If I were to build another -10 I would do the yaw dampener hands down.Â 

Shannon



On Jun 30, 2017 12:08 PM, "Bob Leffler" <bob(at)thelefflers.com (bob(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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  Interesting discussion.Â  Does anyone really need it?

 I plan on using a RC servo hooked to trim hinge on rudder (because I can) ..... and had not heard of yaw damper .....

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 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well.  The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so itÂ  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane  which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy....the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator  servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:13 am Post subject: Re: Rv10 yaw damper

On dynon/AFS system AP has to be engaged for yaw damper to work...at least with the update I have on my AFS. I had a spring based system before installing yaw damper which I kept in place for when not flying with autopilot but MUCH prefer the yaw damper that I recently put it. A necessity no, a bit pricey maybe, but would not go back at this point

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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:11 am Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Any reason the YD servo couldn't use same power and ground as the elevator servo?



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 I had the same initial thoughts as you but, two weekends ago I installed it anyway after assurance from Vans and Rob at AFS (who has been flying with ti for over a year he said) that the Vans kits would work. I am happy to report everything worked out well. The bulk head for the -14 and the -10 is apparently the same in that area so itÂ  fits OK. The yaw damper works great, but I do have to admit it is a bit pricey after Vans kit, Dynon tiller arm (150.00), and new servo. It added about four pounds to the plane which was not a huge deal for me. Bottom line every thing install pretty easy...the Vans bracket kit essentially bolts onto existing bell crank brackets and you will have to run new ground and power to new servo but can share serial and data lines with elevator servo and then you are good to go and a short calibration procedure.

 

 

 

 

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No reason at all. For the Dynon servo, you would just need to run an extra wire for the yellow, so the YD can be turned on/off separately. 



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https://photos.app.goo.gl/XGkzgT9ONmZDAFB33



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Unless I just have an anomaly, I may have discovered the mysterious reason that "slight modification" must be done to use the 14 designated Y/D bracket kit on a -10. 



The Y/D bracket is supposed to sandwich in-between the pitch servo bracket and the tunnel cover plate which are already mated up. The two aft holes, however, are about 1/16 of an inch wider on the Y/D bracket forcing you to elongate the hole inward to match up. 

Considering the absolute deadnuts accuracy there has been in everything else, I have to imagine that they know this.  It is too far off to fit but close enough for the screw to barely catch a thread or two. A simple note in the instructions could save some tailcone imbedded frustration and perhaps, a stripped nutplate that would be a bugger to replace.

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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Rv10 yaw damper

DO NOT USE THE DEFAULT SETTINGS.



In the absence of further guidance, I tried my Y/D out this morning with the default settings.  Holy Crap I thought the tail was going to come off it was oscillating back and forth so forcefully.  I was grateful for the additional disconnect switch.  On the ground, I called support and left a message.  In the meantime I found a thread by "GaryK" on the Dynon forum.  I tried his settings and it worked great.  Much different than the default settings.

As an example, his AY gain is .005 and the default was 1.0!

the sensitivity was also 10 compared to his 4.  Below are his settings which I highly recommend as a starting point.  I mentioned same to Dynon when they returned my call.



Settings are:

Torque. 90

Sensitivity 4

Rudder Gain .2

Rudder Rate 0.020

AY Gain 0.005

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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Rv10 yaw damper

Do you have sky view or AFS EFIS. I have AFS and default setting seem to be fine. I wondered if yours was skyview or I better check mine closer.

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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Rv10 yaw damper

I have SkyView. They just posted new default parameters on the Dynon forum. They said there was an update glitch causing the defaults to get askew.

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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:51 pm Post subject: Rv10 yaw damper

Myron has the Skyview EFIS.



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