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Mcabbage

Joined: 08 Sep 2013
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:59 pm Post subject: Gap seal

Hi to all.

A buddy is looking for ideas as to the best way/method to install gap seals on his Firestar2  

Thanks in advance for any help.

Mike

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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:22 pm Post subject: Gap seal

Ideas to install gap seal.

I have a vls brs. Â  Â The tray for the brs is mounted to the motor mount tube... Â  I've riveted a Â 7/8 tube to the brs mounting plate...Â  As I built ribs for the gap seal they were built in a manner that I could rivet an internal brace to the 7/8 tube... Â  Â Then built a faring between the top of the windshield and bottom of the gap seal, Â riveting in place.... Â  Â The sides of the gap seal are 1/4 to 3/8 inches from the wings..

I can fold the wings without removing the gap seal. Â  Â 

Boyd Young

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lcottrell

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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: Gap seal

It would appear that Boyd and I are the only ones awake today. I purposely waited for someone smarter than myself to give you guidance. I suppose he is out flying.



I have seen three ways to do a gap seal. One is using the fabric that Kolb gives you. It works, but I never liked it.Â 

The Mark III's all seem to build a solid gap seal such as described by Boyd. It works well, but I was either never smart enough to build one or too lazy. I couldn't say for sure which. It works well

The method that I used for my Firestar II is a bent tin front secured to a piece of lexan with a cut out for a motor or any thing else in the way such as my muffler. It is secured to the wings with velcro. When you take it off, just slide a towel or a piece of lexan or cardboard between the two pieces of velcro and lift it off..Â 

Larry

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 A buddy is looking for ideas as to the best way/method to install gap seals on his Firestar2

 Thanks in advance for any help.

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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:54 pm Post subject: Gap seal

Call Helen at Kolb Aircraft. She will make you a fabric gap that is held in place with super 2" wide Velcro. They work great. They hold up well. I had the old zipper type originally and these work and hold up just as well or better. 

George H. 

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Mesick, Michigan 

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 A buddy is looking for ideas as to the best way/method to install gap seals on his Firestar2  

 Thanks in advance for any help.

 Mike

 

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 Trike Buggy Soaring Trike &amp; Northwing Stratus XP

 

 

 

 

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Mcabbage

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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Gap seal

Thanks guys 

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear in my post.

I was looking for info on sealing the gap between the 

wing and airilons.   My friend said some folks are using 

some kind of new strechy material that is easier to remove

if needed.  

Thanks Mike

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Gap seal

Oh. <Grin> You want packaging tape. Check the archives, tons of entries.

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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:35 pm Post subject: Gap seal

I guess some use book binding tape? I did mine per Kolbs plans using 2" Stitts polyfiber tape and polybrush. It has lasted since 1986. Still looks great! Do you want fast and easy or quality?



Have a great day! George H.



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		   On Aug 10, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Mcabbage <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Thanks guys 

 I'm sorry I wasn't more clear in my post.

 I was looking for info on sealing the gap between the 

 wing and airilons.   My friend said some folks are using 

 some kind of new strechy material that is easier to remove

 if needed.  

 Thanks Mike

 

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 Trike Buggy Soaring Trike &amp; Northwing Stratus XP

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:51 pm Post subject: Gap seal

Per kolb if going the fast way

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Oh.  You want packaging tape. Check the archives, tons of entries.



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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:52 pm Post subject: Gap seal

Works great

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Oh.  You want packaging tape. Check the archives, tons of entries.



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wakataka

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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Gap seal

Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam pool noodles. He pulls the noodles through a heated die.



https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/



The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the trailing edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing shape between the trailing edge and the aileron.



I've also used a urethane tape designed for sealing gaps in doors and windows. I think I got it at Ace Hardware. It's slightly stretchy and very sticky. I've had it in place for over 5 years and none of it has fallen off. The gap on the airplane I have it on may be smaller than on the Kolb.

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Mcabbage

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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:18 am Post subject: Re: Gap seal

Pretty interesting.



Thank you guys.

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mojavjoe

Joined: 23 Dec 2013
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:28 am Post subject: Gap seal

I tried making the noodle gap seals but because of the way Kolb ailerons are hinged they pop out.



Joe



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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net>

Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam pool noodles. He pulls the noodles through a heated die.

https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/

The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the trailing edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing shape between the trailing edge and the aileron.

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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:11 am Post subject: Gap seal

They *look* like they would cause significantly increased control system drag, due to friction between/among the fixed & moving surfaces and the noodle. I guess that in some a/c designs, it might not be noticeable.



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		  I tried making the noodle gap seals but because of the way Kolb ailerons are hinged they pop out.



Joe



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Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 9:22:48 PM

Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "wakataka" <wakataka(at)charter.net (wakataka(at)charter.net)>

Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam pool noodles. He pulls the noodles through a heated die.

https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/

The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the trailing edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing shape between the trailing edge and the aileron.

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