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ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:37 pm Post subject: gas tank top feed hardware?

Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tube & tank fittings are you using?



I've got the viton  bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for the bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the bottom of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a shot at brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my skillset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like stainless, but....

Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.

Thanks,

Charlie

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lcottrell

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:23 pm Post subject: gas tank top feed hardware?

I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I had to go to solder to get it done. 



Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible tube with a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where the fuel was no matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.

The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line being inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible and it has been there for some 20 years.

 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tube & tank fittings are you using?



I've got the viton  bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for the bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the bottom of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a shot at brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my skillset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like stainless, but...

Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.

Thanks,

Charlie

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japowell

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: gas tank top feed hardware?

I have the 6 gal tanks that Kolb sells and also the pickup tubes. They reach the bottom easily.

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:03 pm Post subject: gas tank top feed hardware?

I agree Larry. Flexible fuel line pickups work great. Never had a problem with them on my MKII. I do think that the tubing should checked annually. And after a short time after initial installation just be sure the tubing used likes fuel. 

My Firestar has a custom aluminum tank which is a bottom feeder. Works well too. Fuel system has a Facet electric pump and a pulse pump with fuel filters before and after pumps, thanks to information from those on the kolblist. 

George H.

Firestar, FS 100, 1986

Have a great day!



On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I had to go to solder to get it done. 



Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible tube with a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where the fuel was no matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.

The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line being inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible and it has been there for some 20 years.

 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tube & tank fittings are you using?



I've got the viton  bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for the bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the bottom of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a shot at brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my skillset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like stainless, but....

Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.

Thanks,

Charlie

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Jerry-TS-MkII

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: gas tank top feed hardware?

I would strongly recommend Tygon fuel line only.  It's resistant to all the fuels, stays flexible, and doesn't expand.  On a U/L I used generic clear tubing, with a "tight" press fit inside the cap fitting.. but one day while fueling, it FELL OFF!  Use spring clamps on all connections, or large diameter safety wire with a few wraps, then twisted snug.  Jerry

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:52 pm Post subject: gas tank top feed hardware?

Thanks to all for your responses. Very       helpful in clarifying my path forward. What I have in mind is very       similar to what Larry showed in the pics. Plan is to use the same       blue urethane tubing that's used for the rest of the fuel system.

       

       Larry, is your in-tank tubing 1/4" ID, like the feed to the       pump(s) and engine? Do you have a link to the fuel filter? All the       model filters I've been able to find are for 1/8" ID tubing. I've       got some plastic inline filters for 1/4" line that I can adapt,       but I'd have to add some weight to hold the filter down.

       

       Thanks again,

       

       Charlie

       

       

       

       On 8/30/2017 4:21 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

     

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		         I don't recall how I managed to secure my         extension, but I am sure I had to go to solder to get it done.          

         

         Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a           flexible tube with a weighted filter pickup that could slosh           around to where the fuel was no matter the attitude would not           be a bad thing.

         

         

         The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The           fuel line being inside the tank has never been a problem and           is still flexible and it has been there for some 20 years.

         

         

          

       

       

         On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM,           Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)>           wrote:

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		               Those who are using top feed for your plastic               fuel tanks: what pickup tube & tank fittings are you               using?               

               

               I've got the viton  bushings, and the steel (?)                 right-angle inserts for the bushings, sold by LEAF &                 others. I need to use a tube to get to the bottom of the                 tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I                 took a shot at brazing a longer tube into the steel                 fitting, but either I've lost my skillset or it isn't                 steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like                 stainless, but....

               

               

               Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.

               

               

               Thanks,

               

               

               Charlie

             

             

           	
         

       

     	
     

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lcottrell

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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:40 pm Post subject: gas tank top feed hardware?

https://www.amazon.com/In-Tank-Filter-W-Ball-Check/dp/B0055DOP6C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504146785&sr=8-3&keywords=in+tank+filters+for



here you go.

Larry

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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:37 pm Post subject: gas tank top feed hardware?

On 8/30/2017 9:34 PM, Larry Cottrell       wrote:

     

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		                                                                                             https://www.amazon.com/In-Tank-Filter-W-Ball-Check/dp/B0055DOP6C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504146785&sr=8-3&keywords=in+tank+filters+for

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   here you go.

                   Larry 

                 

               

             

           

         

       

     	
     Excellent! I failed to use the 'in tank' search term, & all I     got was a list of inline versions.

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Jerry-TS-MkII

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Location: Indiana

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: gas tank top feed hardware?

I stand corrected!  All of my Tygon applications were concealed, and it's worked well with alcohol, but apparently not UV protected.  I found this link for the blue tubing marketed by Bing, and AS also has the pickups shown by Larry.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/bingfuel.php

Jerry

Jerry-TS-MkII

Joined: 23 Aug 2017
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Location: Indiana

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: gas tank top feed hardware?

Correction to the correction.  Tygon has MANY different formulations!  Their LP-1100 is UV protected and good for 100% ethanol.  However the link doesn't suggest it's use for "fuel submersible" applications.  Every chain saw I own does have new Tygon lines, in both fuel and oil tanks.  And it was the only thing I had found that would remain flexible in the tank, submerged, and no failures.  I'd be curious to know who makes the line for Bing.



http://www.processsystems.saint-gobain.com/products/tygon-lp-1100-flexible-fuel-tubing

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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:25 am Post subject: gas tank top feed hardware?

Well, finally gave up on the plumber's flux & went with tried & true electronics stuff. Heated the fitting & dipped it in my tin of paste flux; after that, soldering using rosin core 50/50 was uneventful. In case anyone's wondering, solder apparently can't go bad. That roll of Kester in the pic is my father's. He turned 100 last June. And it's entirely possible that he inherited it from *his* father, but there's no mfgr date on the spool.

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