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tshort
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 Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:53 pm Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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I've got the old LS starter that used to ship way back when with the IO540, and am planning to upgrade during the panel upgrade this winter.
Anyone have feedback on the B&C lightweight starter vs the Skytec -NL model?
Performance, weight, fit issues, etc?
Thanks in advance.
Thomas Short
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kboatright1(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:19 am Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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I have the NL on my RV-6 and have been very pleased. Most people who use the
NL seem to have been satisfied.
On the -10, I'm going with the B&C, just because I got a good deal on it.
I don't think you'll go wrong with either one.
KB
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:12 am Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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I'd agree...between the two you will be happy either way.
I just got 2 of the NL's last year. They both work better than the LS and PM.
Tim
[quote] On Oct 22, 2017, at 9:17 AM, <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> wrote:
I have the NL on my RV-6 and have been very pleased. Most people who use the NL seem to have been satisfied.
On the -10, I'm going with the B&C, just because I got a good deal on it.
I don't think you'll go wrong with either one.
KB
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Kellym
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:52 pm Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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IF you go with the NL, be sure to get the latest version that has
improved kickback protection. The original used a shear pin, which could
not be replaced without removal of the starter.
On 10/22/2017 7:17 AM, kboatright1(at)comcast.net wrote:
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I have the NL on my RV-6 and have been very pleased. Most people who use
the NL seem to have been satisfied.
On the -10, I'm going with the B&C, just because I got a good deal on it.
I don't think you'll go wrong with either one.
KB
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:09 pm Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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How new are you talking, by "latest"?
Mine were from 2017, and I've unboxed 3 of them this year, and every one of them came
with a shear pin glued to the top under the boss mount.
I do know that they advertise a new Kickback Protection System,
but I do believe it's still a shear pin and since it's glued to the boss mount, I can't see it being
replaced without removal of the starter. It does say:
"Kickback Protection System (KPS) with field-replaceable shear pin"
... on their website. Perhaps we are supposed to cut out the pin and
keep it in the plane? If that were the case though, why would they just
not attach it to the starter in a ziploc bag like they do the star washers?
So, I think even the current one requires a shear pin.
That said, I've never had a kickback issue with any of the starters
over all of these years, so I'm not sure I'd worry too much about it,
if you have a well configured ignition system.
Tim
On 10/22/2017 5:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> (kellym(at)aviating.com)
IF you go with the NL, be sure to get the latest version that has improved kickback protection. The original used a shear pin, which could not be replaced without removal of the starter.
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partner14
Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:30 pm Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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Just an FYI. The starters and alternators are no longer being provided and serviced by the same group as before. It's now Hartzell. Big company, big company service, NOT.
Don McDonald
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Starter upgrade
How new are you talking, by "latest"?
Mine were from 2017, and I've unboxed 3 of them this year, and every one of them came
with a shear pin glued to the top under the boss mount.
I do know that they advertise a new Kickback Protection System,
but I do believe it's still a shear pin and since it's glued to the boss mount, I can't see it being
replaced without removal of the starter. It does say:
"Kickback Protection System (KPS) with field-replaceable shear pin"
... on their website. Perhaps we are supposed to cut out the pin and
keep it in the plane? If that were the case though, why would they just
not attach it to the starter in a ziploc bag like they do the star washers?
So, I think even the current one requires a shear pin.
That said, I've never had a kickback issue with any of the starters
over all of these years, so I'm not sure I'd worry too much about it,
if you have a well configured ignition system.
Tim
On 10/22/2017 5:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> (kellym(at)aviating.com)
IF you go with the NL, be sure to get the latest version that has improved kickback protection. The original used a shear pin, which could not be replaced without removal of the starter.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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I have had good service from them, myself. I almost didn’t once, but it ended up being done right. So I’m not of the opinion that from a service/support perspective they are bad. Maybe some people have other experiences. My worst experience was that if you simply call and hope someone will answer, chances are they won’t....but if you leave a voice message, you get a prompt response. I don’t usually leave VM’s so it took me a few calls to actually get connected once
Tim
On Oct 22, 2017, at 8:25 PM, Don McDonald<building_partner(at)yahoo.com (building_partner(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Just an FYI. The starters and alternators are no longer being provided and serviced by the same group as before. It's now Hartzell. Big company, big company service, NOT.
Don McDonald
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Starter upgrade
How new are you talking, by "latest"?
Mine were from 2017, and I've unboxed 3 of them this year, and every one of them came
with a shear pin glued to the top under the boss mount.
I do know that they advertise a new Kickback Protection System,
but I do believe it's still a shear pin and since it's glued to the boss mount, I can't see it being
replaced without removal of the starter. It does say:
"Kickback Protection System (KPS) with field-replaceable shear pin"
... on their website. Perhaps we are supposed to cut out the pin and
keep it in the plane? If that were the case though, why would they just
not attach it to the starter in a ziploc bag like they do the star washers?
So, I think even the current one requires a shear pin.
That said, I've never had a kickback issue with any of the starters
over all of these years, so I'm not sure I'd worry too much about it,
if you have a well configured ignition system.
Tim
On 10/22/2017 5:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> (kellym(at)aviating.com)
IF you go with the NL, be sure to get the latest version that has improved kickback protection. The original used a shear pin, which could not be replaced without removal of the starter.
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maca2790
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:44 pm Post subject: Starter upgrade |
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Your not wrong about no service Don. The Field wire broke off on my Plane Power 60Amp in my RV10. The Alternator was brand new and had about 10 hours on it. They were not interested and wouldn't even tell me what type of plug is used so that I could buy another and fix it myself. Which is of course what I ended up doing.
Cheers John MacCallum
VH-DUU
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On 23 Oct 2017, at 12:25, Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com (building_partner(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Just an FYI. The starters and alternators are no longer being provided and serviced by the same group as before. It's now Hartzell. Big company, big company service, NOT.
Don McDonald
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Starter upgrade
How new are you talking, by "latest"?
Mine were from 2017, and I've unboxed 3 of them this year, and every one of them came
with a shear pin glued to the top under the boss mount.
I do know that they advertise a new Kickback Protection System,
but I do believe it's still a shear pin and since it's glued to the boss mount, I can't see it being
replaced without removal of the starter. It does say:
"Kickback Protection System (KPS) with field-replaceable shear pin"
... on their website. Perhaps we are supposed to cut out the pin and
keep it in the plane? If that were the case though, why would they just
not attach it to the starter in a ziploc bag like they do the star washers?
So, I think even the current one requires a shear pin.
That said, I've never had a kickback issue with any of the starters
over all of these years, so I'm not sure I'd worry too much about it,
if you have a well configured ignition system.
Tim
On 10/22/2017 5:50 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> (kellym(at)aviating.com)
IF you go with the NL, be sure to get the latest version that has improved kickback protection. The original used a shear pin, which could not be replaced without removal of the starter.
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bob88
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Starter upgrade |
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I removed the Skytec PM which didn’t have enough power to turn over my IO540 with high compression pistons. I replaced it with the BandC starter, which works fine. I’m mainly posting because the link between the starter and Plane Power alternator did not fit the BandC. Neither did either of the links BandC provided. I was able to drill a new 5/16 hole in the old link after bending it slightly; worked fine. I had called Plane Power and they strongly advised against leaving the link off. I believe the P/N for the link is 1002.
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