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Hi Everyone.
Last weekend yielded the best weather I could have hoped for, warm,sunny and no winds to speak of. I took my FSII to nearby SFZ where from the Airport manager on down the line could not have been more friendly and welcoming. They set the stage for what was a great experience. I got things together, taxied out to the 5000' runway added power and off I went. I planned using 55mph for climbout and was amazed at how quicly it accelerated and climbed at that speed. Iflew around to get a feel for slow speed handling and found it stalled at 40mph dropping the right wing. Using flaps (yes my FSII has flaps) yeilded only slightly slower (38)stall with a more pronounced wing drop. Flaps were not used for remainder of flights. Landing approach was done at 55mph which setup a reasonable decent. Reaching around 50" I added power to arrest decent, with a flare around 10' settle to runway and BAM! right up on my nose.  Lesson learned is make sure you put your size 10 heels in front of the heel brakes, not in front where comfort dictates. No real damage other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear? Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:42 am Post subject: First Flights Completed! |
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""Lesson learned is make sure you put your size 10 heels ! in front of the heel brakes, not in front where comfort dictates.""
If your heals are hitting the brakes at the same time your toes are on the rudder pedals...... Here is an idea to think on,,,, only an idea....
If you shorten the rudder cables it should bring the top of the rudder pedals closer to you / or more over the top of the brakes. Now in order to hit the brakes you will have to pull your toes back towards you in order to reach the brakes with your heals... So if an event requires you need both, you won't have to lift your heals over the pedals waisting time...
Or on the other side of things you could reposition the brakes further forward... Either way the geometry would be the same.
The choice may depend on the legnth of your legs and which is more comfortable.
Just think on it.
Boyd Young
On Oct 29, 2017 9:37 AM, "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com (RoHam903(at)gmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "RoHam" <RoHam903(at)gmail.com (RoHam903(at)gmail.com)>
Hi Everyone.
Last weekend yielded the best weather I could have hoped for, warm,sunny and no winds to speak of. I took my FSII to nearby SFZ where from the Airport manager on down the line could not have been more friendly and welcoming. They set the stage for what was a great experience. I got things together, taxied out to the 5000' runway added power and off I went. I planned using 55mph for climbout and was amazed at how quicly it accelerated and climbed at that speed. Iflew around to get a feel for slow speed handling and found it stalled at 40mph dropping the right wing. Using flaps (yes my FSII has flaps) yeilded only slightly slower (38)stall with a more pronounced wing drop. Flaps were not used for remainder of flights. Landing approach was done at 55mph which setup a reasonable decent. Reaching around 50" I added power to arrest decent, with a flare around 10' settle to runway and BAM! right up on my nose. [Rolling Eyes] Lesson learned is make sure you put your size 10 heels !
in front of the heel brakes, not in front where comfort dictates. No real damage other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear? Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
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The gear can be straightened. Most people use a cheap hydraulic press (Harbor Freight) or a home made jug with a hydraulic jack. Some guys get a set of spare legs from Kolb. Others have made steel legs, but if you are still learning, the aluminum ones put less shock on the airframe in case of a goof.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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On Sun, 10/29/17, RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: First Flights Completed!
No real damage
other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on
cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix
of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may
have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear?
Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: Re: First Flights Completed! |
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Wait until Harbor Freight puts this on sale, fix it yourself.
https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-pipe-bender-62539.html
In the meanwhile, take the leg to any machine shop, they can straighten it for about $20 if it is not badly bent.
Attached is my collection of old Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is from the original Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would consider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have slight bends and could easily be fixed with a press in just a few minutes. The bottom one is unbent.
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Bob, As Bill said, yes they can be straightened, but they will be a bit softer each time and thus easier to bend. Make some saddles out of PVC pipe to protect the leg from getting a ding when straightening and have at it with Mr. Hydraulic Press.When Travis was at Kolb he was the best at supplying answers to Kolb questions even though he didn't fly. I told him my problems with landings and his advice was to wheel it on at first rather than trying for a three point landing, When you can wheel it on consistently then start slowing it down a bit until you find the sweet spot where she just sets down on three and rolls out. It's like riding a bike; once you get it, you'll always be able to roll it right on every time. It just takes a little practice.
Congratulations, sounds like you're having fun with your Kolb. I may be a little prejudiced but I think it's the best flying fun there is.
Blue skies,
Rick
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The gear can be straightened. Most people use a cheap hydraulic press (Harbor Freight) or a home made jug with a hydraulic jack. Some guys get a set of spare legs from Kolb. Others have made steel legs, but if you are still learning, the aluminum ones put less shock on the airframe in case of a goof.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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Subject: First Flights Completed!
No real damage
other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on
cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix
of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may
have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear?
Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
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I've straightened the tapered steel legs from an RV-4 in a HF press using soft pine 2x4s as pads. One under the ram, and the leg resting across a pair of them. With the steel legs, the wood crushes enough to spread the point loads of the ram & support points.
Charlie
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| Quote: | Bob, As Bill said, yes they can be straightened, but they will be a bit softer each time and thus easier to bend. Make some saddles out of PVC pipe to protect the leg from getting a ding when straightening and have at it with Mr. Hydraulic Press. When Travis was at Kolb he was the best at supplying answers to Kolb questions even though he didn't fly. I told him my problems with landings and his advice was to wheel it on at first rather than trying for a three point landing, When you can wheel it on consistently then start slowing it down a bit until you find the sweet spot where she just sets down on three and rolls out. It's like riding a bike; once you get it, you'll always be able to roll it right on every time. It just takes a little practice.
Congratulations, sounds like you're having fun with your Kolb. I may be a little prejudiced but I think it's the best flying fun there is.
Blue skies,
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The gear can be straightened. Most people use a cheap hydraulic press (Harbor Freight) or a home made jug with a hydraulic jack. Some guys get a set of spare legs from Kolb. Others have made steel legs, but if you are still learning, the aluminum ones put less shock on the airframe in case of a goof.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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Subject: First Flights Completed!
No real damage
other than to pride and bent antena and road rash on
cowl. As of yesterday I've put in 8 hrs of time with a mix
of landings from dropping in and respectable. the gear may
have suffer from some. Any way to straightren aluminum gear?
Whats the options and possible vendors? ...Bob
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When I bought my Firestar, it came with a couple of new legs. The ones that were on it were a little bent, so I put the new ones on. About 1/2 an hour of taxiing on grass, and they both bent like the second one in the photo. The previous owner had made them of 6061 (If I remember).
Bill Sullivan
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Attached is my collection of old
Firestar/FSII gear legs. The top set is from the original
Firestar from which we built the FF clone, and I would
consider them un-straightenable. The next 3 down all have
slight bends and could easily be fixed with a press in just
a few minutes. The bottom one is unbent.
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Thanks for the response,
As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority to me. I learned the hard way where my heels belong and comfortable taking off or landing without being in position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I will try to straighten gear when it seems to get worse. Mine is between Richards #3 & 4 pictures. I'll see how it goes. Just hoping to get more flying in before the winter sets in, then I'll make repairs / improvements.
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Yet another reason to fly off grass until comfortable in the a/c. 
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:07 AM, RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com (RoHam903(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Thanks for the response,
As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority to me. I learned the hard way where my heels belong and comfortable taking off or landing without being in position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I will try to straighten gear when it seems to get worse. Mine is between Richards #3 & 4 pictures. I'll see how it goes. Just hoping to get more flying in before the winter sets in, then I'll make repairs / improvements.
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: First Flights Completed! |
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If you haven't put a Kolb on its nose "yet", you ain't flying.
January 1991, Brother Jim and I were beginning the build on my MKIII at the Kolb Factory. Homer put us up in the house and treated us like family. He always treated Jim and I like family. We were all hanging out up at his airstrip while he flew kids in the Factory MKIII. Jim and I had been talking about what we were going to do with the stock landing gear. Homer came in, landed, turned the tail into the wind and promptly put the MKIII on its nose. Jim and I looked at each other and agreed the main gear needed to come forward. After we finished welding up the fuselage the main gear was 8" forward of the original location attached to a .75" 4130 square tube bridge, now an integral part of the fuselage.
What did this accomplish:
-Never came close to nosing over in over 3400.0 hours.
-Raised the nose to a good 3 point stance which improved short field take offs and landings.
-The 1.125" diameter X .120 wall gear legs heat treated to 48 RC provided adequate suspension when combined with the low pressure 800X6 Air Tracs. 48RC will allow the spring steel legs to bend prior to breaking. This I proved through actual crashes.  The axle sockets are either .90 or .120 and welded to the end of the gear leg. Originally, I went with the bolt on axle socket, against Brother Jim's recommendation, he wanted to weld them, but I over ruled. Their failure at Rocky Mountain Lodge, 1 July 2000, on Mucho Lake, in Northern British Columbia, is what caused my crash and test of gear legs to failure. Not a good day. 17 years ago. All was not for naught. The day after the crash I got to meet Ernest Borgnine, a real class act and friend halibut fisherman. Some of you old timers probably remember that day. I was on my way, I thought, to Point Barrow, Alaska. We did make it the next year on Brother Jim's gear legs.
Don't try and fly a Kolb with 4130 legs that have not been heat treated. They are not springs until they have been in the oven. Yes, and have it done by a professional heat treating facility.
BTW: My tail wheel strut is .120 wall 4130 heat treated to 48RC.
Weight is about the same as the alum 7075 legs.
Please pardon my rambling. I tend to do this as I age.
john h
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Yet another reason to fly off grass until comfortable in the a/c.
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:07 AM, RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com (RoHam903(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Thanks for the response,
As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority to me. I learned the hard way where my heels belong and comfortable taking off or landing without being in position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I will try to straighten gear when it seems to get worse. Mine is between Richards #3 & 4 pictures. I'll see how it goes. Just hoping to get more flying in before the winter sets in, then I'll make repairs / improvements.
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Darn right Ernest Borgnine was a class act ! I saw him give a talk to a group of young people when our EAA chapter hosted the "Aluminum Overcast" B-17. He was absolutely awe inspiring. World War 2 Navy veteran before he became an actor.
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Subject: RE: Re: First Flights Completed!
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Date: Monday, October 30, 2017, 10:14 AM
If you haven't put a Kolb
on its nose "yet", you ain't
flying. January 1991, Brother Jim and I
were beginning the build on my MKIII at the Kolb Factory.
Homer put us up in the house and treated us like family.
He always treated Jim and I like family. We were all
hanging out up at his airstrip while he flew kids in the
Factory MKIII. Jim and I had been talking about what we
were going to do with the stock landing gear. Homer came
in, landed, turned the tail into the wind and promptly put
the MKIII on its nose. Jim and I looked at each other and
agreed the main gear needed to come forward. After we
finished welding up the fuselage the main gear was 8"
forward of the original location attached to a .75"
4130 square tube bridge, now an integral part of the
fuselage. What did this
accomplish: -Never came close to nosing
over in over 3400.0 hours. -Raised the nose to a good 3
point stance which improved short field take offs and
landings. -The 1.125" diameter X
.120 wall gear legs heat treated to 48 RC provided adequate
suspension when combined with the low pressure 800X6 Air
Tracs. 48RC will allow the spring steel legs to bend prior
to breaking. This I proved through actual crashes.
The axle sockets are either .90 or .120 and welded to the
end of the gear leg. Originally, I went with the bolt on
axle socket, against Brother Jim's recommendation, he
wanted to weld them, but I over ruled. Their failure at
Rocky Mountain Lodge, 1 July 2000, on Mucho Lake, in
Northern British Columbia, is what caused my crash and test
of gear legs to failure. Not a good day. 17 years ago.
All was not for naught. The day after the crash I got to
meet Ernest Borgnine, a real class act and friend halibut
fisherman. Some of you old timers probably remember that
day. I was on my way, I thought, to Point Barrow,
Alaska. We did make it the next year on Brother Jim's
gear legs. Don't try and fly a Kolb
with 4130 legs that have not been heat treated. They are
not springs until they have been in the oven. Yes, and
have it done by a professional heat treating
facility. BTW: My tail wheel strut is
.120 wall 4130 heat treated to 48RC. Weight is about the same as the
alum 7075 legs. Please pardon my rambling. I
tend to do this as I age. john hmkIIITitus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 11:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Re: First Flights
Completed! Yet another reason to fly off
grass until comfortable in the a/c. On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:07
AM, RoHam <RoHam903(at)gmail.com>
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Thanks for the response,
As far as moving my brake petals,that's not a priority
to me. I learned the hard way where my heels belong and
comfortable taking off or landing without being in
position for braking. Only feel I need them for taxiing. I
will try to straighten gear when it seems to get worse. Mine
is between Richards #3 & 4 pictures. I'll see how it
goes. Just hoping to get more flying in before the
winter sets in, then I'll make repairs /
improvements.
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Congratulations Bob!
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RoHam
Joined: 05 Aug 2017
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Location: MA
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: First Flights Completed! |
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Thanks Mike,
Hows the your project coming?
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Mcabbage
Joined: 08 Sep 2013
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Location: MA.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: First Flights Completed! |
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Pretty good! moving along!
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