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Matt Dovey

Joined: 13 May 2017
Posts: 48
Location: st albans, england

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:24 am Post subject: Nav Lights

I'm hoping to fit some LED Nav/Strobe lights over the winter on my classic. I'm interested in how people have run their wiring from the tip to the wing root. I understand that some fitted conduit before the skins were bonded in place. What alternate methods have been used?

davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:36 am Post subject: Nav Lights

Matt, I do not know the complete answer to that but I suspect that running the wires along the aileron and flap close outs would be my approach, probably drilling across the wing tip space from just outside the outer aileron hinge. No doubt you will have thought of that yourself, but my point in posting this is to strongly advise you to ensure that any holes through the wing structure are sealed to be completely airtight. An intact wing XS floats nicely as demonstrated by the one which ditched off Chile and floated nicely to be towed ashore. If air can escape then I have no doubt that the plane will sink almost as quickly as a PA 28 does (3 mins give or take a few seconds!). Of course if your wings are full of foam you haven't too much to worry about! 

Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ 

   

 

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I'm hoping to fit some LED Nav/Strobe lights over the winter on my classic. I'm interested in how people have run their wiring from the tip to the wing root. I understand that some fitted conduit before the skins were bonded in place. What alternate methods have been used?





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John Wighton

Joined: 18 May 2010
Posts: 241

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Nav Lights

Matt,



If yours is a classic surely the skins are laid up onto the foam cores?



I believe a good solution is to use a hole cutting tool mounted onto a long straight tube (approx. 3/4in dia.).  The hole should be on the camber line (approx. wing bending neutral axis).  Cables can be pulled through thereafter and the ends sealed once all the functional checks are complete.



My XS (moulded skin, hollow wings) has wing nav/strobe cables retro fitted in this way (albeit the boring only is needed at the root and intermediate rib). Mine had some 2 core cables installed at build but 5 core is needed for the nav/strobe combination units, so had to be changed.



Use shielded cable and connectors at the wing root to enable disassembly. 



Regards

JW

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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD

dg.watts(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:24 am Post subject: Nav Lights

You only need 2 core cable for the LED Nav Strobes available from The Light Aeroplane Company.

I fitted them in place of my Nav lights recently and they are great.



Dave Watts

G-BXDY



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		   On 1 Nov 2017, at 08:26, John Wighton <john(at)wighton.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Matt,

 

 If yours is a classic surely the skins are laid up onto the foam cores?

 

 I believe a good solution is to use a hole cutting tool mounted onto a long straight tube (approx. 3/4in dia.).  The hole should be on the camber line (approx. wing bending neutral axis).  Cables can be pulled through thereafter and the ends sealed once all the functional checks are complete.

 

 My XS (moulded skin, hollow wings) has wing nav/strobe cables retro fitted in this way (albeit the boring only is needed at the root and intermediate rib). Mine had some 2 core cables installed at build but 5 core is needed for the nav/strobe combination units, so had to be changed.

 

 Use shielded cable and connectors at the wing root to enable disassembly. 

 

 Regards

 JW

 

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 John Wighton

 Europa XS trigear G-IPOD

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474090#474090

Matt Dovey

Joined: 13 May 2017
Posts: 48
Location: st albans, england

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Nav Lights

Thanks for the reply guys. I have thought about running the wiring through the tip then along the rear spar, in front of the flying controls like David suggested. The pitot/static lines have been run this way. I was just wondering how everyone else had done it. There is no point reinventing the wheel.

christoph.both(at)acadiau
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:23 am Post subject: Nav Lights

Hello Dave,

Do you have a link to the Light Aeroplane Company nav lights?

Thanks,

Christoph

#223 Europa

Wolfville, NS, Canada

On 2017-11-02, 07:41, "owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of David Watts" <owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> wrote:



    

    

    You only need 2 core cable for the LED Nav Strobes available from The Light Aeroplane Company.

    I fitted them in place of my Nav lights recently and they are great.

    

    Dave Watts

    G-BXDY

    

    > On 1 Nov 2017, at 08:26, John Wighton <john(at)wighton.net> wrote:

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    > Matt,

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    > If yours is a classic surely the skins are laid up onto the foam cores?

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    > I believe a good solution is to use a hole cutting tool mounted onto a long straight tube (approx. 3/4in dia.).  The hole should be on the camber line (approx. wing bending neutral axis).  Cables can be pulled through thereafter and the ends sealed once all the functional checks are complete.

    > 

    > My XS (moulded skin, hollow wings) has wing nav/strobe cables retro fitted in this way (albeit the boring only is needed at the root and intermediate rib). Mine had some 2 core cables installed at build but 5 core is needed for the nav/strobe combination units, so had to be changed.

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    > Use shielded cable and connectors at the wing root to enable disassembly. 

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    > Regards

    > JW

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    > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD

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h&jeuropa

Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 645

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Nav Lights

This thread describes how Creighton Smith and Bud Yerly fitted lights to Creighton's classic wings.



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=16766473&highlight=lights



Jim Butcher

dg.watts(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:53 am Post subject: Nav Lights

Christoph



TLAC Strobes are at:-

http://www.g-tlac.com/Documents/Strobes%20and%20beacons%2022%208%2016.pdf



Dave Watts



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		   On 2 Nov 2017, at 12:21, Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hello Dave,

 Do you have a link to the Light Aeroplane Company nav lights?

 Thanks,

 Christoph

 #223 Europa

 Wolfville, NS, Canada

 

 

 On 2017-11-02, 07:41, "owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of David Watts" <owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> wrote:

 

    

 

    You only need 2 core cable for the LED Nav Strobes available from The Light Aeroplane Company.

    I fitted them in place of my Nav lights recently and they are great.

 

    Dave Watts

    G-BXDY

 

> On 1 Nov 2017, at 08:26, John Wighton <john(at)wighton.net> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Matt,

> 

> If yours is a classic surely the skins are laid up onto the foam cores?

> 

> I believe a good solution is to use a hole cutting tool mounted onto a long straight tube (approx. 3/4in dia.).  The hole should be on the camber line (approx. wing bending neutral axis).  Cables can be pulled through thereafter and the ends sealed once all the functional checks are complete.

> 

> My XS (moulded skin, hollow wings) has wing nav/strobe cables retro fitted in this way (albeit the boring only is needed at the root and intermediate rib). Mine had some 2 core cables installed at build but 5 core is needed for the nav/strobe combination units, so had to be changed.

> 

> Use shielded cable and connectors at the wing root to enable disassembly. 

> 

> Regards

> JW

> 

> --------

> John Wighton

> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD

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> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474090#474090

BobD

Joined: 05 Jan 2016
Posts: 112
Location: Sheffield UK

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Nav Lights

These are worth considering also.



http://www.aveoengineering.com/lsa-experimental-ul-kits-and-gliders/powerburst-daylite/



More expensive, but more secure fitting in my opinion (screws & silicon adhesive).

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Bob Dawson
Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3

christoph.both(at)acadiau
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:24 am Post subject: Nav Lights

Hello Dave,

Thank you very much. I know Creighton personally and have just seen his Europa.

I think this is the perfect light for my plane. I am into low draw – my GRT/analog panel only draws 2.5 amps, so the extra 1.5 amps for nav/strobe is amazing.

Christoph

#223 Trigear 912ULS Woodcomp SR 3000/2 blade (saved 10 pounds)

Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada

On 2017-11-03, 09:08, "owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of David Watts" <owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> wrote:



    

    

    Christoph

    

    TLAC Strobes are at:-

    http://www.g-tlac.com/Documents/Strobes%20and%20beacons%2022%208%2016.pdf

    

    Dave Watts

    

    > On 2 Nov 2017, at 12:21, Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> wrote:

    > 

    > 

    > 

    > Hello Dave,

    > Do you have a link to the Light Aeroplane Company nav lights?

    > Thanks,

    > Christoph

    > #223 Europa

    > Wolfville, NS, Canada

    > 

    > 

    > On 2017-11-02, 07:41, "owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of David Watts" <owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of dg.watts(at)talktalk.net> wrote:

    > 

    >    

    > 

    >    You only need 2 core cable for the LED Nav Strobes available from The Light Aeroplane Company.

    >    I fitted them in place of my Nav lights recently and they are great.

    > 

    >    Dave Watts

    >    G-BXDY

    > 

    >> On 1 Nov 2017, at 08:26, John Wighton <john(at)wighton.net> wrote:

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    >> Matt,

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    >> If yours is a classic surely the skins are laid up onto the foam cores?

    >> 

    >> I believe a good solution is to use a hole cutting tool mounted onto a long straight tube (approx. 3/4in dia.).  The hole should be on the camber line (approx. wing bending neutral axis).  Cables can be pulled through thereafter and the ends sealed once all the functional checks are complete.

    >> 

    >> My XS (moulded skin, hollow wings) has wing nav/strobe cables retro fitted in this way (albeit the boring only is needed at the root and intermediate rib). Mine had some 2 core cables installed at build but 5 core is needed for the nav/strobe combination units, so had to be changed.

    >> 

    >> Use shielded cable and connectors at the wing root to enable disassembly. 

    >> 

    >> Regards

    >> JW

    >> 

    >> --------

    >> John Wighton

    >> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD

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    >> Read this topic online here:

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    >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474090#474090

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Matt Dovey

Joined: 13 May 2017
Posts: 48
Location: st albans, england

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Nav Lights

Thinking of fitting these http://aviolights.com/navigator-ultra-360.html

carlp101

Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 120

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Nav Lights

Hi,



I fitted LED strobes/nav lights from TLAC in to my classic wing. I ran the cable from the wing tip in to one of the channels that runs through the foam to the aileron bell-crank housing, then down the torque tube channel to the wing root. 



I've attached the Mod 3 doc, the TLAC details and a couple of pictures. It has all been approved by the LAA. The Mod 3 form contains a detailed descrition of how I fitted them.



Sorry about the size of the pictures. I forgot to reduce them.

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Matt Dovey

Joined: 13 May 2017
Posts: 48
Location: st albans, england

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:25 am Post subject: Re: Nav Lights

That's helpful. Ordered my nav lights today

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