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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 514
Location: Nevada

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

I see that Garmin is shipping the all new GDL-82 ADS-B out solution. At $1795 this seems like an excellent and cost effective solution to meet the ADS-B mandate. It also works with my old panel mounted Garmin transponder.

Since I already have a scout and and a panel mounted full sized I-Pad, this seem to fit the bill in a cost effective way.

While I understand that Garmin is back ordered on the item, I am considering getting in the que. Has anyone pulled cord and installed this item? Inquiring minds want to know the community's collective opinion.

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: ADS-B - is the time now

There are now lots of options. The uAvionics Echo plus their gps or the grt gps is a few hundred dollars less, and includes ADSB-in.

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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 514
Location: Nevada

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: ADS-B - is the time now

Nobody out there is posting - I would appreciate hearing from you.

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:15 pm Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

I think only you can really answer that for yourself. I think most of us who have ADS-B are happy we did it. There are plenty who got hurt through the NavWorx situation, and that could happen to other companies, but it is less likely as time passes. 



Personally, the benefits of ADS-B out are great. I have an ES transponder, so every time my plane is in the air I can track it, or if I am flying, my family or the people I am going to meet can track me, even when I am VFR. I live in Florida, in a very heavy traffic area, and I see all of the traffic because I am broadcasting and waking up the ground stations to send traffic information. I am installing ADS-B out in probably an average of 2+ planes per week in my shop. It is expensive, but I don’t know a single customer who wishes they hadn’t installed, except possibly those who installed NavWorx, but those customers are all planning to replace it soon, and some already have, because they see the benefits of it. 



There may be cheaper solutions that come out in the next 2 years, but the demand is increasing as the deadline approaches, and I think that makes it less likely that prices will be going down significantly. There are enough solutions available that anybody doing serious undercutting on price could easily increase their price and still sell equipment. 



I hope this helps. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com



Sent from my iPad



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		   On Jan 30, 2018, at 10:52 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel900(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

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gengrumpy

Joined: 07 May 2013
Posts: 131
Location: Tullahoma, TN

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:46 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

My comments mirror those of Jesse.  I put in the NavWorx box early on and found the traffic display and alerts to be outstanding.  Mine was not connected to a certified GPS, so I had to find a replacement….and installed the Uavionix Echo with the Fly GPS.  It is now working with a small issue with baro altitude that they are working to resolve.  The traffic display and alerts are as good as the NavWorx unit was, and I do not want to be without it anymore.  The weather display is good, but you have to understand what radar picture is output over the ADS-B link.  I also have a Garmin 396 with subscription XM weather on it which works on the ground when you cannot “see” any ADS-B towers.  The combination of the 2 wx inputs gives me a really good weather picture.



If anyone wants the NavWorx box, I’ll be happy to make you a great deal on it.  All it needs is a certified GPS input to be legal.



grumpy

N184JM - flying since 2006

N82WW (RV8) - flying since Dec 29, 2016



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		   On Jan 30, 2018, at 9:52 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel900(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Nobody out there is posting - I would appreciate hearing from you.

 

 --------

 See you OSH '18

 Q/B - flying 8 yrs.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477714#477714

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:33 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

I agree with Jesse, the time isn't now, the time was a while ago.

I've been flying with ADS-B since 2009, and wouldn't be without

it now.  There are so many options to choose from, but only

you can determine what's right for you, based on price point,

and work involved.  The cheapest method likely isn't the best

method, but only you can determine what you're looking for

out of it.  If all you want is compliance, then it's one thing,

but if you want all the benefits that go with it, you'll likely

want more than the simplest of solutions.  And some of it is

driven by what's in your panel.



If you just want to no think too hard about what you're

going to do, then get the Garmin 345 or Stratus ESG, and

once you're installed you'll have most of the options you

could be looking for.



Tim

On 01/30/2018 09:52 PM, AirMike wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Nobody out there is posting - I would appreciate hearing from you.

 

 --------

 See you OSH '18

 Q/B - flying 8 yrs.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477714#477714

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:52 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

I agree, the decision is driven by wallet, receive capability and what 

you already have. The UAT option unfortunately comes saddled with 

unnecessary complexity..you have to keep, maintain, and certify a Mode C 

transponder/encoder on top of the UAT add-on. The 1090ES option costs 

more initially, but is only one unit to maintain and certify every 2 

years, and lets you go anywhere outside US borders. It also lets you go 

into the flight levels if that gets you over some weather.

Then you have to consider whether you are going to take advantage of the 

ability to receive traffic and weather, and if you want that on your 

PFD/MFD or something portable, or both. Those of us that have the 

traffic and weather on our panel mount displays probably would only use 

the portable as a backup..but that is decided as much by budget and 

how/where we fly more than anything. When you add cost of iPad and 

software for that, plus a means to get the data to the iPad, whether 

portable receiver or something built-in, those numbers are significant, 

though perhaps less than getting it into our panel displays. However, 

having an independent, battery powered display has a lot of merit.



On 1/31/2018 7:33 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I agree with Jesse, the time isn't now, the time was a while ago.

 I've been flying with ADS-B since 2009, and wouldn't be without

 it now.  There are so many options to choose from, but only

 you can determine what's right for you, based on price point,

 and work involved.  The cheapest method likely isn't the best

 method, but only you can determine what you're looking for

 out of it.  If all you want is compliance, then it's one thing,

 but if you want all the benefits that go with it, you'll likely

 want more than the simplest of solutions.  And some of it is

 driven by what's in your panel.

 

 If you just want to no think too hard about what you're

 going to do, then get the Garmin 345 or Stratus ESG, and

 once you're installed you'll have most of the options you

 could be looking for.

 

 Tim

 

 

 On 01/30/2018 09:52 PM, AirMike wrote:

> 

>

> Nobody out there is posting - I would appreciate hearing from you.

>

> --------

> See you OSH '18

> Q/B - flying 8 yrs.

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477714#477714

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schmoboy

Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 130

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:14 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

For OUT I went with the ES upgrade last year on my 330 transponder.  It 

was just a convenient option for me.  Note that it also required a 

software upgrade for the 430W GPS and another wire between the two.



For IN I built myself a Stratux (http://stratux.me) and currently get 

traffic/weather from that in ForeFlight on the iPad.  The Stratux can 

now do serial out so I could send it to my AFS 4500s if/when I get the 

desire to do that.



I also still have my Sirrux XM subscription, but that will most likely 

be turned off as the Stratux IN box has proven itself.



Many options indeed and it all just depends.



-Sean #40303



 	  Quote: 	
		   Kelly McMullen <mailto:kellym(at)aviating.com>

 January 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM

 



 I agree, the decision is driven by wallet, receive capability and what 

 you already have. The UAT option unfortunately comes saddled with 

 unnecessary complexity..you have to keep, maintain, and certify a Mode 

 C transponder/encoder on top of the UAT add-on. The 1090ES option 

 costs more initially, but is only one unit to maintain and certify 

 every 2 years, and lets you go anywhere outside US borders. It also 

 lets you go into the flight levels if that gets you over some weather.

 Then you have to consider whether you are going to take advantage of 

 the ability to receive traffic and weather, and if you want that on 

 your PFD/MFD or something portable, or both. Those of us that have the 

 traffic and weather on our panel mount displays probably would only 

 use the portable as a backup..but that is decided as much by budget 

 and how/where we fly more than anything. When you add cost of iPad and 

 software for that, plus a means to get the data to the iPad, whether 

 portable receiver or something built-in, those numbers are 

 significant, though perhaps less than getting it into our panel 

 displays. However, having an independent, battery powered display has 

 a lot of merit.

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:47 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

Sean,



I'd like to learn something on this.   The ES upgrade, I've heard that

when you get the transponder back, it's physically longer. Is that true?

If not, it's more attractive.

Tim

On 01/31/2018 09:13 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 For OUT I went with the ES upgrade last year on my 330 transponder.  It 

 was just a convenient option for me.  Note that it also required a 

 software upgrade for the 430W GPS and another wire between the two.

 

 For IN I built myself a Stratux (http://stratux.me) and currently get 

 traffic/weather from that in ForeFlight on the iPad.  The Stratux can 

 now do serial out so I could send it to my AFS 4500s if/when I get the 

 desire to do that.

 

 I also still have my Sirrux XM subscription, but that will most likely 

 be turned off as the Stratux IN box has proven itself.

 

 Many options indeed and it all just depends.

 

 -Sean #40303

 

> Kelly McMullen <mailto:kellym(at)aviating.com>

> January 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM

> 

>

> I agree, the decision is driven by wallet, receive capability and what 

> you already have. The UAT option unfortunately comes saddled with 

> unnecessary complexity..you have to keep, maintain, and certify a Mode 

> C transponder/encoder on top of the UAT add-on. The 1090ES option 

> costs more initially, but is only one unit to maintain and certify 

> every 2 years, and lets you go anywhere outside US borders. It also 

> lets you go into the flight levels if that gets you over some weather.

> Then you have to consider whether you are going to take advantage of 

> the ability to receive traffic and weather, and if you want that on 

> your PFD/MFD or something portable, or both. Those of us that have the 

> traffic and weather on our panel mount displays probably would only 

> use the portable as a backup..but that is decided as much by budget 

> and how/where we fly more than anything. When you add cost of iPad and 

> software for that, plus a means to get the data to the iPad, whether 

> portable receiver or something built-in, those numbers are 

> significant, though perhaps less than getting it into our panel 

> displays. However, having an independent, battery powered display has 

> a lot of merit.

>

>

deej(at)deej.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:56 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

On 01/31/2018 09:33 AM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I agree with Jesse, the time isn't now, the time was a while ago.

 I've been flying with ADS-B since 2009, and wouldn't be without

 it now.


	




Ditto.  I installed full ADS-B In/Out about 3 years ago, and would not

want to be without it.  You don't realize how valuable a tool it really

is until you fly with it, so if you know someone with an installed

system, ask them to take you up and demo it.



-Dj

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:06 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

The 330ES is physically identical to the 330. There is updated software and hardware inside, but it’s the same tray and connector.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Jan 31, 2018, at 10:47 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Sean,

 

 I'd like to learn something on this.   The ES upgrade, I've heard that

 when you get the transponder back, it's physically longer. Is that true?

 If not, it's more attractive.

 Tim

 

 

 On 01/31/2018 09:13 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:

> 

> For OUT I went with the ES upgrade last year on my 330 transponder.  It was just a convenient option for me.  Note that it also required a software upgrade for the 430W GPS and another wire between the two.

> For IN I built myself a Stratux (http://stratux.me) and currently get traffic/weather from that in ForeFlight on the iPad.  The Stratux can now do serial out so I could send it to my AFS 4500s if/when I get the desire to do that.

> I also still have my Sirrux XM subscription, but that will most likely be turned off as the Stratux IN box has proven itself.

> Many options indeed and it all just depends.

> -Sean #40303

>> Kelly McMullen <mailto:kellym(at)aviating.com>

>> January 31, 2018 at 8:51 AM

>> 

>> 

>> I agree, the decision is driven by wallet, receive capability and what you already have. The UAT option unfortunately comes saddled with unnecessary complexity..you have to keep, maintain, and certify a Mode C transponder/encoder on top of the UAT add-on. The 1090ES option costs more initially, but is only one unit to maintain and certify every 2 years, and lets you go anywhere outside US borders. It also lets you go into the flight levels if that gets you over some weather.

>> Then you have to consider whether you are going to take advantage of the ability to receive traffic and weather, and if you want that on your PFD/MFD or something portable, or both. Those of us that have the traffic and weather on our panel mount displays probably would only use the portable as a backup..but that is decided as much by budget and how/where we fly more than anything. When you add cost of iPad and software for that, plus a means to get the data to the iPad, whether portable receiver or something built-in, those numbers are significant, though perhaps less than getting it into our panel displays. However, having an independent, battery powered display has a lot of merit.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>>

stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:08 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

The 330ES upgrade does not physically change the dimensions of the transponder at all.  Remove the transponder unit only from the panel, get it upgraded, the re-install (into the same tray you had before).  



Cheers,

Stein

--

schmoboy

Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 130

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

Yep.  Just plop it back in the tray when you get it back.  Well, and add 

the extra wire for the GPS position source.



Stein handled my upgrade.  Smooth process going through them as they 

handle the Garmin details.



-Sean #40303



[quote] Stein Bruch <mailto:stein(at)steinair.com>

 January 31, 2018 at 10:07 AM

 



 The 330ES upgrade does not physically change the dimensions of the 

 transponder at all. Remove the transponder unit only from the panel, 

 get it upgraded, the re-install (into the same tray you had before).



 Cheers,

 Stein

 --

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:57 am Post subject: ADS-B - is the time now

Sounds great.  Glad it's that easy.



Thanks guys,

Tim



On 01/31/2018 10:30 AM, Sean Stephens wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Yep.  Just plop it back in the tray when you get it back.  Well, and add 

 the extra wire for the GPS position source.

 

 Stein handled my upgrade.  Smooth process going through them as they 

 handle the Garmin details.

 

 -Sean #40303

 

> Stein Bruch <mailto:stein(at)steinair.com>

> January 31, 2018 at 10:07 AM

> 

>

> The 330ES upgrade does not physically change the dimensions of the 

> transponder at all. Remove the transponder unit only from the panel, 

> get it upgraded, the re-install (into the same tray you had before).

>

> Cheers,

> Stein

> --

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