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 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:12 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 |
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I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.
Jeff in Colorado
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Total Messages Posted Thu 03/01/18: 6
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)
2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)
3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)
4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)
5. 11:11 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
6. 11:21 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US
Subject: oratex covering material
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com (worthken67(at)gmail.com)>
I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience
with this product? please share... thank you
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kenw
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478330#478330
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>
I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good
article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>
Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material
I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size
aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than
the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL
you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time
is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even
with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the
dope, silver UV, and color paint.
Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
based and relatively inexpensive.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM
Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>
I used the PolyFiber method but The
July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on
oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come
up.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333
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Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net (gtalexander(at)att.net)>
victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
| Quote: | Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
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based and relatively inexpensive.
Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:
"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "
Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.
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George Alexander
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E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 11:11:30 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Kolb-List: Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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responses.
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about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
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polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
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a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 11:21:28 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
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Is Oratex heat shrunk?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.
Jeff in Colorado
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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)
2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)
3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)
4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)
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6. 11:21 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US
Subject: oratex covering material
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com (worthken67(at)gmail.com)>
I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience
with this product? please share... thank you
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kenw
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>
I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good
article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>
Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material
I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size
aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than
the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL
you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time
is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even
with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the
dope, silver UV, and color paint.
Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
based and relatively inexpensive.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM
Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>
I used the PolyFiber method but The
July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on
oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come
up.
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Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net (gtalexander(at)att.net)>
victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
| Quote: | Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
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based and relatively inexpensive.
Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:
"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "
Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.
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Yes, Oratex is heat shrunk. You apply it similar to other systems... apply glue to the structure and put the Oratex into position. Then you shrink it just like any other fabric, but when you are done shrinking... the dope, silver primer, and final color are already there.
I am not 100% sure about how you do the pinked tapes, but I am guessing they go on over the main fabric just like other systems, but the color is already in there as well.
The model airplane version of Oratex has the heat-sensitive glue already on the underside of the fabric. On the full size version I believe the glue is not on the back of the fabric to save weight.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net      - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Fri, 3/2/18, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 2, 2018, 6:46 PM
Is Oratex heat
shrunk? Â john hmkIII Titus,
Alabama  Â
 From:
owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs -
03/01/18 Â I used Oratex to cover the
nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50
trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the
hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my
application. The material is light and worked well,
but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont
know if that applies to your situation,
though.Jeff in
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 Time: 05:32:09 AM PST
USSubject: oratex covering
materialFrom: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com>
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 I was researching Oratex covering
for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any
experiencewith this product? please
share... thank you
 --------kenw
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 Time: 09:36:08 AM PST
USSubject: Re: oratex
covering materialFrom: "Rex Rodebush"
<jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
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 I used the PolyFiber method but The
July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very
goodarticle on oratex. Google
oratex kitplanes and it should come
up.
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here:
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 Time: 11:47:15 AM PST
USFrom: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>Subject: Re: Re: oratex
covering material
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 I have used this material on R/C
model airplanes many times, not yet on a
full-sizeaircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is
significantly lighter and easier to use
thanthe other systems (Stits Poly
Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive
UNTILyou compare the actual overall cost
and time of the older systems. If your
timeis worth any more than two dollars
an hour, Oratex should be a bargain
evenwith the higher initial cost.
Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all
thedope, silver UV, and color
paint.
 Another very well liked
"new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is
waterbased and relatively
inexpensive.
 Bill Berlewww.ezflaphandle.com
- safety & performance upgrade for light
aircraftwww.grantstar.netÂ
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for-profit entities
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 Subject: Re: oratex
covering materialTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.comDate: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35
AM
 Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
 I used the PolyFiber method but
TheJuly, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a
very good article onoratex. Google oratex
kitplanes and it should comeup.
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wrote:> > > . S . N . I . P
.> > Another very well liked
"new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is
waterbased and relatively
inexpensive.> > Bill
Berle> > . S . N . I . P
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 Direct quote from the Stewart
System Web Site:
 "Our new, breakthrough
coatings are not "water-based"-- they're
waterborne. "
 Helped re-covering of an Aeronca
Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart
System.
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AlexanderFS II R503Â
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Hi John ,yes Oratex is heat shrunk and they recommend using a heat gun the stuff is nearly indestructible and if it gets a hole it’s easily repairable , I bought their sample kit and I really like the fact that there are no fumes being in my condition going in and out could be a problem .
BECKY and I will be at Sun& FUN the last 3 days hope to see you there.!
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[quote] On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:46 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Is Oratex heat shrunk?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.
Jeff in Colorado
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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)
2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)
3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)
4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)
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________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US
Subject: oratex covering material
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com>
I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience
with this product? please share... thank you
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kenw
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good
article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material
I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size
aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than
the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL
you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time
is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even
with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the
dope, silver UV, and color paint.
Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
based and relatively inexpensive.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM
Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
I used the PolyFiber method but The
July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on
oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come
up.
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Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>
victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
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> . S . N . I . P .
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> Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
based and relatively inexpensive.
>
> Bill Berle
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>
>
Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:
"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "
Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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John Hauck
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Chris D/Kolbers:
I talked to Bryan Melborn Monday. Tentatively planning on flying down, despite the fact the Miss P'fer, my 1992 MKIII, is in need of a lot of cosmetic TLC, especially the glass. The windshield has started crazing which gives it the diamond glare effect when flying into the sun. My MKIII is like an old street fighter. She has been flying long, hard, and strong, for 26 years, 3,400.0+ hours, the 15th of March. It's hard to work that hard, for that long, and not show the effects. She's like me, as far as showing the effects of miles flown. 
If I think I can comfortably fly down and enjoy sleeping on the ground for a week, I will. Doing a lot of walking and standing will present problems. Got to walk to the head, to the shower, and some place to scrounge chow, when I get tired of eating freeze dried and MRE's.
We'll see what happens.
john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 11:18 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
Hi John ,yes Oratex is heat shrunk and they recommend using a heat gun the stuff is nearly indestructible and if it gets a hole it’s easily repairable , I bought their sample kit and I really like the fact that there are no fumes being in my condition going in and out could be a problem .
BECKY and I will be at Sun& FUN the last 3 days hope to see you there.!
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:46 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
| Quote: |
Is Oratex heat shrunk?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.
Jeff in Colorado
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Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)
2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)
3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)
4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)
5. 11:11 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
6. 11:21 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US
Subject: oratex covering material
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com (worthken67(at)gmail.com)>
I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience
with this product? please share... thank you
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kenw
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>
I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good
article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>
Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material
I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size
aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than
the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL
you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time
is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even
with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the
dope, silver UV, and color paint.
Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
based and relatively inexpensive.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM
Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>
I used the PolyFiber method but The
July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on
oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come
up.
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Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net (gtalexander(at)att.net)>
victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
| Quote: | Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
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based and relatively inexpensive.
Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:
"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "
Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.
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George Alexander
FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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Time: 11:11:30 PM PST US
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John, I have had good luck with using the headlight polishing kits that are sold at auto parts stores. The kits are not expensive compared to a new windshield. Try it on the windshield in a small area and see if it helps out.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:02 PM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
Chris D/Kolbers:
-----my 1992 MKIII, is in need of a lot of cosmetic TLC, especially the glass. The windshield has started crazing which gives it the diamond glare effect when flying into the sun.
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Jack H/Kolbers:
Doubt the polishing kit would correct my problem. The failure is in the generic polycarbonate I used last time I replaced windshield and doors. I think if I had stuck with more expensive GE Lexan, I wouldn't be having this problem.
Right now I am scratching my head to figure out why this polycarbonate failed. One possibility is a reaction to the last windshield cover I made about 4 or 5 years ago. I found some heavy material, similar to Naugahyde, at a local fabric shop. I was tired of making new covers out of plastic table cloths every year. My thought is there was a chemical reaction from the gassing of the material used to make the material. Maybe not. I don't know.
Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.
Thanks for the suggestion.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hart
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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
John, I have had good luck with using the headlight polishing kits that are sold at auto parts stores. The kits are not expensive compared to a new windshield. Try it on the windshield in a small area and see if it helps out.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:02 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
Chris D/Kolbers:
-----my 1992 MKIII, is in need of a lot of cosmetic TLC, especially the glass. The windshield has started crazing which gives it the diamond glare effect when flying into the sun.
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John,
One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.
I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 12:15 PM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
Jack H/Kolbers:
Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.
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I don't have a surface problem. It is in great shape. I use Plexus religiously to keep my glass clean and protected.
My problem is in the glass between the two surfaces. That can't be corrected.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hart
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 7:46 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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John,
One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.
I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 12:15 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
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Jack H/Kolbers:
Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.
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Plain polycarbonate can be crazed by lots of stuff, including gasoline. Plexi is much less susceptible.
Charlie
On Mar 5, 2018, at 9:31 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote: | Quote: |
I don't have a surface problem. It is in great shape. I use Plexus religiously to keep my glass clean and protected.
My problem is in the glass between the two surfaces. That can't be corrected.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hart
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 7:46 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
John,
One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.
I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 12:15 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
Jack H/Kolbers:
Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.
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Depends on the type of gasoline.
I used to be able to tell which would and which wouldn't damage the glass. Been too long to remember that.
Some won't and some will. The types that will are immediate reactions. You watch it and cry.
john
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 8:42 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
Plain polycarbonate can be crazed by lots of stuff, including gasoline. Plexi is much less susceptible.
Charlie
On Mar 5, 2018, at 9:31 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
I don't have a surface problem. It is in great shape. I use Plexus religiously to keep my glass clean and protected.
My problem is in the glass between the two surfaces. That can't be corrected.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jack Hart
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 7:46 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
John,
One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.
I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 12:15 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
Jack H/Kolbers:
Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.
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