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houlihan(at)blueyonder.co
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:11 am Post subject: Europa flight hours about to no longer count on EASA PPL?

Hi Roland 

The UK CAA have said this will not happen, three countries have put forward objections and the general view is that certainly France would not be happy with this.

read this  comment about it

https://www.flyer.co.uk/flight-hours-annex-ii-aircraft-count-easa-ppl/

regards

Tim H 	  Quote: 	
		  

On 06 March 2018 at 10:51 Roland <schmidtroland(at)web.de> wrote:

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roland" <schmidtroland(at)web.de>

Dear Europa community,

on another forum I came across this problem dawning on the EASA-horizon:

https://www.euroga.org/forums/student-pilots/5243-uk-caa-allows-ab-initio-training-on-annex-2-and-easa-bans-it-april-2018-and-annex-2-hours-to-no-longer-count-towards-easa-licenses-merged?page=6

As it looks currently, this may hugely affect tnose (including myself) who fly exclusively with Annex 2 aircraft on an EASA license.

If it comes through, we were forced to rent an EASA-aircraft at least for the 12 hours required for the license renewal.

Regards

Roland

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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Europa flight hours about to no longer count on EASA PP

Hi Tim, 



thank you.



However - and this is an information from 3rd march on a german forum:



[b]EASA NPA 2014/28 / FCL.035(a) (2):



When flight time is completed during flights operated in the same class or type of aircraft falling under points (a), (b), (c) or (d) of Annex II to Regulation (EC) No 216/2008, it shall be given full credit for the purpose of issue, revalidation or renewal of a licence, rating or certificate.



French DGAC stated:



France supports the proposed draft for crediting hours performed on Annex II aircraft. Nevertheless in the same time France considers that the recognition shall be extended to allow the conduct of all skill tests (for the purpose of issuance/renewal of a Part FCL licence, rating, certificate), proficiency checks (for the purpose of revalidation of a Part FCL licence, rating, certificate) and assessment of competences (for the purpose of issuance/renewal/revalidation of Part FCL instructor/examiner certificates) on Annex II aircraft ((a), (b), (c) and (d)) as long as the aircraft used is correctly fitted for performing all relevant exercises during the practical examination as required by Part FCL.



It is not logical to credit Annex II hours in full for the purpose of the issuance of Part FCL licence, rating, and certificate and in the same time not authorizing the conduct of the practical exam on such Annex II aircraft.

To support this comment it should be noted for example that Appendix 4 B) (1) states that for a CPL(A) skill test : “The aeroplane used for the skill test shall meet the requirements for training aeroplanes, [...]”.

Therefore as long as the Annex II aircraft is meeting the requirements for training it is possible to use it for the skill test.



EASA Comment Response Document (CRD):



Not accepted



When the content of Annex II to the Basic Regulation was developed, Member States specifically wanted to exclude the aircraft referred to therein from the scope of the Regulation and its implementing rules. When proposing to accept hours flown on some Annex II aircraft, EASA considered that also hours flown on third-country registered aircraft would be credited for revalidation. Accepting the use of AnnexII aircraft to obtain qualifications with skill tests or assessments of competence and perform proficiency checks on Annex II aircraft would render the whole Annex II feckless. The intention was never to undermine Annex II but to provide General Aviation with the possibility to continue to use aircraft they were using for years already with the clear aim that at a certain moment only equipment that was certified in accordance with the Basic Regulation would be used for training, testing and checking.





Let's see what happens. Anyway it's very amazing, that the EASA GA task force itsef dislcaimed this with the words "We do not know where this is coming from. We will publish an answer. Flyers will publish something to clarify." by the beginning of last week, obviously not knowing, what is going on in the legal department of EASA.



 

Regards



Roland

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