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3benny3

Joined: 17 May 2017
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Location: Lenoir, NC

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:01 am Post subject: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

Has anyone done spins in a Kolb? In the Kolbra when slipping to landing it seems hard to keep the nose down with the stick all the way forwards. Seems like the rudder has much greater authority in that situation or the elevator is much less effective. Would vg's under the horizontal help this? The relative direction of air over the surfaces would be a little different but am curious if this would transfer over to a spin as well and not be able to push over?

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3benny3

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Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

No one ever done slips or spins in a Kolb?

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Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

No spins, but plenty of slips.LC

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John Hauck

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:22 am Post subject: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

Yes, I have slipped and spun the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII.



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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:38 am Post subject: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

Sure, slips in a original Firestar and a Twinstar MKII. 

Spins in both. Keep you airspeed up in slips like any other aircraft. 



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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:11 am Post subject: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

Me too both,,,,   the slips are not as effective as say something with a full length fuselage,  with full flaps on the mkiii slips are not really needed,   I've spun the mkiii a couple times, started really high,  till I could determine how it recovered from the spin.   Doing so I was fully ready to pull the brs handle.  My mkiii recovered with relaxed pressures on the control.  Your experience may be different.   



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 Yes, I have slipped and spun the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII.

 

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

posted by: "John  Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>

 

" Yes, I have slipped and spun the  Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII."

 

John H in your experience, did the spin characteristics and spin recovery match the "normal" expectations an average pilot would have for other small GA aircraft, such as Cubs, Cessnas, Champs, etc?

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 2:50 pm Post subject: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?

Pretty much a pussy cat when it comes to flying.  Spins are a no brainer.  Sometimes it helps to get into one, in a MKIII, by a nose high attitude until it stalls, hard rudder and aileron.  Relax the stick and it flies right out.



My original Firestar would only do a partial turn with the engine at idle.  With controls locked it would fly right out of it.  However, engine off and it would spin up like a top.  Learned that one by accident.



I never flew a fixed wing before I flew the test flight for my Ultrastar 34 years ago.  I was rotary wing rated.  Hadn't flown anything for eight years.  Was an easy flight except for landing.  It was almost uncontrollable not to come back on the stick when I made my approach.  I was more concerned with stalls than anything else.  Didn't worry about that in a helicopter.  After I got the first landing out of the way, the rest were easy.



Kolbs are very easy aircraft to fly.  Difficult to hurt yourself if you keep it above the stall speed.  They land so slowly one doesn't have to worry about landing with power.  Off the top of my head, most Kolb accidents are caused by inadvertently letting the airspeed get too slow leading to a stall.  Not correctly reacting to the stall by pulling the stick back to make it fly, instead of pushing it forward to regain airspeed.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama



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