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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:33 pm Post subject: TyWraps redux |
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In a recent thread, TyWraps were discussed as a solution
for wire bundle management. We had some discussions on
these products about ten years back . . .
In years since, I've had occasion to throw out stocks
of unused TyWraps given that they had become brittle with
age . . . the buckles would snap off in the ordinary process
of applying the wrap.
Be aware that not all that is plastic is Nylon 6,6. Evolved
over the last 80+ years by DuPont. This material and its
close cousins have found their way into all manner of component,
many of which perform in under-hood environment of automobiles.
When purchasing these critters, look for a 6-6, 6/6, 66 or even
a 6,6 description of the nylon. The last time I was in Harbor
Freight, many of their offerings bore such markings . . . but
some did not . . . especially the smaller ones in assorted colors.
All the wraps I pitched a few years ago were smaller sizes
in various colors. Some had been in my Dad's inventory for untold
years and were literally falling apart.
My favorite bundle security uses Dacron flat lace applied
like so . . .
https://goo.gl/H3z1EQ
Did a job for a rancher friend yesterday where the wiring was
installed and initially held in place with some TyWraps he had
laying around . . . after it was up and running, I dug out the
roll of flat lace and installed a wrap adjacent to each of the
TyWraps. Those plastic thingies MIGHT fall off in a few years
but I'm betting the string will still be on duty.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 7:55 am Post subject: TyWraps redux |
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Good point Bob...
In general BLACK Ty-Wraps are UV and Ozone proof. The white ones become brittle with time and exposure.
SOME - not all colored Ty-Wraps may also work.
One might even find notes on the Ty-Wrap packaging as to UV & Ozone resistant.
Barry
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
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In a recent thread, TyWraps were discussed as a solution
for wire bundle management. We had some discussions on
these products about ten years back . . .
In years since, I've had occasion to throw out stocks
of unused TyWraps given that they had become brittle with
age . . . the buckles would snap off in the ordinary process
of applying the wrap.
Be aware that not all that is plastic is Nylon 6,6. Evolved
over the last 80+ years by DuPont. This material and its
close cousins have found their way into all manner of component,
many of which perform in under-hood environment of automobiles.
When purchasing these critters, look for a 6-6, 6/6, 66 or even
a 6,6 description of the nylon. The last time I was in Harbor
Freight, many of their offerings bore such markings . . . but
some did not . . . especially the smaller ones in assorted colors.
All the wraps I pitched a few years ago were smaller sizes
in various colors. Some had been in my Dad's inventory for untold
years and were literally falling apart.
My favorite bundle security uses Dacron flat lace applied
like so . . .
https://goo.gl/H3z1EQ
Did a job for a rancher friend yesterday where the wiring was
installed and initially held in place with some TyWraps he had
laying around . . . after it was up and running, I dug out the
roll of flat lace and installed a wrap adjacent to each of the
TyWraps. Those plastic thingies MIGHT fall off in a few years
but I'm betting the string will still be on duty.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 10:16 pm Post subject: TyWraps redux |
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FWF I used a lot of flat lace along with some adel clamps and I'm really happy with the way it turned out. I have some pictures here:
http://www.rv8.ch/fwf-wiring-photos/
I also did some testing with a good heat gun on the lace to make sure that I understood how it would behave if it got really hot - I was impressed. It basically didn't seem to care, and I could not get it to melt or change state in any way with the heat gun that will cause Tefzel wiring to finally melt and smoke.
In parallel, I bought some Nomex lace, which also does not care about getting cooked by a heat gun, and will probably add this next to the normal lace in places that might be exposed to additional heat from the exhaust pipes. Will give some feedback in a few years when I'm finally flying. 
Not sure why, but working with the lace was very satisfying.
Mickey Coggins
On Wed, 9 May 2018 at 18:14, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Good point Bob...
In general BLACK Ty-Wraps are UV and Ozone proof. The white ones become brittle with time and exposure.
SOME - not all colored Ty-Wraps may also work.
One might even find notes on the Ty-Wrap packaging as to UV & Ozone resistant.
Barry
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
In a recent thread, TyWraps were discussed as a solution
for wire bundle management. We had some discussions on
these products about ten years back . . .
In years since, I've had occasion to throw out stocks
of unused TyWraps given that they had become brittle with
age . . . the buckles would snap off in the ordinary process
of applying the wrap.
Be aware that not all that is plastic is Nylon 6,6. Evolved
over the last 80+ years by DuPont. This material and its
close cousins have found their way into all manner of component,
many of which perform in under-hood environment of automobiles.
When purchasing these critters, look for a 6-6, 6/6, 66 or even
a 6,6 description of the nylon. The last time I was in Harbor
Freight, many of their offerings bore such markings . . . but
some did not . . . especially the smaller ones in assorted colors.
All the wraps I pitched a few years ago were smaller sizes
in various colors. Some had been in my Dad's inventory for untold
years and were literally falling apart.
My favorite bundle security uses Dacron flat lace applied
like so . . .
https://goo.gl/H3z1EQ
Did a job for a rancher friend yesterday where the wiring was
installed and initially held in place with some TyWraps he had
laying around . . . after it was up and running, I dug out the
roll of flat lace and installed a wrap adjacent to each of the
TyWraps. Those plastic thingies MIGHT fall off in a few years
but I'm betting the string will still be on duty.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:02 am Post subject: TyWraps redux |
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Nice LQQKing job OM.
Would like to see more.
Barry
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:14 AM, Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch (mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch)> wrote:
| Quote: | FWF I used a lot of flat lace along with some adel clamps and I'm really happy with the way it turned out. I have some pictures here:
http://www.rv8.ch/fwf-wiring-photos/
I also did some testing with a good heat gun on the lace to make sure that I understood how it would behave if it got really hot - I was impressed. It basically didn't seem to care, and I could not get it to melt or change state in any way with the heat gun that will cause Tefzel wiring to finally melt and smoke.
In parallel, I bought some Nomex lace, which also does not care about getting cooked by a heat gun, and will probably add this next to the normal lace in places that might be exposed to additional heat from the exhaust pipes. Will give some feedback in a few years when I'm finally flying.
Not sure why, but working with the lace was very satisfying.
Mickey Coggins
On Wed, 9 May 2018 at 18:14, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Good point Bob...
In general BLACK Ty-Wraps are UV and Ozone proof. The white ones become brittle with time and exposure.
SOME - not all colored Ty-Wraps may also work.
One might even find notes on the Ty-Wrap packaging as to UV & Ozone resistant.
Barry
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
In a recent thread, TyWraps were discussed as a solution
for wire bundle management. We had some discussions on
these products about ten years back . . .
In years since, I've had occasion to throw out stocks
of unused TyWraps given that they had become brittle with
age . . . the buckles would snap off in the ordinary process
of applying the wrap.
Be aware that not all that is plastic is Nylon 6,6. Evolved
over the last 80+ years by DuPont. This material and its
close cousins have found their way into all manner of component,
many of which perform in under-hood environment of automobiles.
When purchasing these critters, look for a 6-6, 6/6, 66 or even
a 6,6 description of the nylon. The last time I was in Harbor
Freight, many of their offerings bore such markings . . . but
some did not . . . especially the smaller ones in assorted colors.
All the wraps I pitched a few years ago were smaller sizes
in various colors. Some had been in my Dad's inventory for untold
years and were literally falling apart.
My favorite bundle security uses Dacron flat lace applied
like so . . .
https://goo.gl/H3z1EQ
Did a job for a rancher friend yesterday where the wiring was
installed and initially held in place with some TyWraps he had
laying around . . . after it was up and running, I dug out the
roll of flat lace and installed a wrap adjacent to each of the
TyWraps. Those plastic thingies MIGHT fall off in a few years
but I'm betting the string will still be on duty.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:28 am Post subject: TyWraps redux |
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Nice one! Prolly put some of those certified boys to shame!
On Thu, 10 May 2018, 8:21 AM Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch (mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch)> wrote:
| Quote: | FWF I used a lot of flat lace along with some adel clamps and I'm really happy with the way it turned out. I have some pictures here:
http://www.rv8.ch/fwf-wiring-photos/
I also did some testing with a good heat gun on the lace to make sure that I understood how it would behave if it got really hot - I was impressed. It basically didn't seem to care, and I could not get it to melt or change state in any way with the heat gun that will cause Tefzel wiring to finally melt and smoke.
In parallel, I bought some Nomex lace, which also does not care about getting cooked by a heat gun, and will probably add this next to the normal lace in places that might be exposed to additional heat from the exhaust pipes. Will give some feedback in a few years when I'm finally flying.
Not sure why, but working with the lace was very satisfying.
Mickey Coggins
On Wed, 9 May 2018 at 18:14, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Good point Bob...
In general BLACK Ty-Wraps are UV and Ozone proof. The white ones become brittle with time and exposure.
SOME - not all colored Ty-Wraps may also work.
One might even find notes on the Ty-Wrap packaging as to UV & Ozone resistant.
Barry
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
In a recent thread, TyWraps were discussed as a solution
for wire bundle management. We had some discussions on
these products about ten years back . . .
In years since, I've had occasion to throw out stocks
of unused TyWraps given that they had become brittle with
age . . . the buckles would snap off in the ordinary process
of applying the wrap.
Be aware that not all that is plastic is Nylon 6,6. Evolved
over the last 80+ years by DuPont. This material and its
close cousins have found their way into all manner of component,
many of which perform in under-hood environment of automobiles.
When purchasing these critters, look for a 6-6, 6/6, 66 or even
a 6,6 description of the nylon. The last time I was in Harbor
Freight, many of their offerings bore such markings . . . but
some did not . . . especially the smaller ones in assorted colors.
All the wraps I pitched a few years ago were smaller sizes
in various colors. Some had been in my Dad's inventory for untold
years and were literally falling apart.
My favorite bundle security uses Dacron flat lace applied
like so . . .
https://goo.gl/H3z1EQ
Did a job for a rancher friend yesterday where the wiring was
installed and initially held in place with some TyWraps he had
laying around . . . after it was up and running, I dug out the
roll of flat lace and installed a wrap adjacent to each of the
TyWraps. Those plastic thingies MIGHT fall off in a few years
but I'm betting the string will still be on duty.
Bob . . .
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BARRY CHECK 6
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 5:29 am Post subject: TyWraps redux |
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What do you mean PROBABLY!!!
Certified Planes are Production Planes and do not come anywhere near the quality of work done by most Experimental Builders.
Again, GREAT WORK Mickey.
Barry
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Bob Verwey <bob.verwey(at)gmail.com (bob.verwey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Nice one! Prolly put some of those certified boys to shame!
On Thu, 10 May 2018, 8:21 AM Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch (mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch)> wrote:
| Quote: | FWF I used a lot of flat lace along with some adel clamps and I'm really happy with the way it turned out. I have some pictures here:
http://www.rv8.ch/fwf-wiring-photos/
I also did some testing with a good heat gun on the lace to make sure that I understood how it would behave if it got really hot - I was impressed. It basically didn't seem to care, and I could not get it to melt or change state in any way with the heat gun that will cause Tefzel wiring to finally melt and smoke.
In parallel, I bought some Nomex lace, which also does not care about getting cooked by a heat gun, and will probably add this next to the normal lace in places that might be exposed to additional heat from the exhaust pipes. Will give some feedback in a few years when I'm finally flying.
Not sure why, but working with the lace was very satisfying.
Mickey Coggins
On Wed, 9 May 2018 at 18:14, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Good point Bob...
In general BLACK Ty-Wraps are UV and Ozone proof. The white ones become brittle with time and exposure.
SOME - not all colored Ty-Wraps may also work.
One might even find notes on the Ty-Wrap packaging as to UV & Ozone resistant.
Barry
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
In a recent thread, TyWraps were discussed as a solution
for wire bundle management. We had some discussions on
these products about ten years back . . .
In years since, I've had occasion to throw out stocks
of unused TyWraps given that they had become brittle with
age . . . the buckles would snap off in the ordinary process
of applying the wrap.
Be aware that not all that is plastic is Nylon 6,6. Evolved
over the last 80+ years by DuPont. This material and its
close cousins have found their way into all manner of component,
many of which perform in under-hood environment of automobiles.
When purchasing these critters, look for a 6-6, 6/6, 66 or even
a 6,6 description of the nylon. The last time I was in Harbor
Freight, many of their offerings bore such markings . . . but
some did not . . . especially the smaller ones in assorted colors.
All the wraps I pitched a few years ago were smaller sizes
in various colors. Some had been in my Dad's inventory for untold
years and were literally falling apart.
My favorite bundle security uses Dacron flat lace applied
like so . . .
https://goo.gl/H3z1EQ
Did a job for a rancher friend yesterday where the wiring was
installed and initially held in place with some TyWraps he had
laying around . . . after it was up and running, I dug out the
roll of flat lace and installed a wrap adjacent to each of the
TyWraps. Those plastic thingies MIGHT fall off in a few years
but I'm betting the string will still be on duty.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:58 am Post subject: TyWraps redux |
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Thanks for the kind words - just doing it like Bob taught me via his book and many PDFs and images.Mickey Coggins
On Fri, 11 May 2018 at 15:39, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | What do you mean PROBABLY!!!
Certified Planes are Production Planes and do not come anywhere near the quality of work done by most Experimental Builders.
Again, GREAT WORK Mickey.
Barry
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Bob Verwey <bob.verwey(at)gmail.com (bob.verwey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Nice one! Prolly put some of those certified boys to shame!
On Thu, 10 May 2018, 8:21 AM Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch (mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch)> wrote:
| Quote: | FWF I used a lot of flat lace along with some adel clamps and I'm really happy with the way it turned out. I have some pictures here:
http://www.rv8.ch/fwf-wiring-photos/
I also did some testing with a good heat gun on the lace to make sure that I understood how it would behave if it got really hot - I was impressed. It basically didn't seem to care, and I could not get it to melt or change state in any way with the heat gun that will cause Tefzel wiring to finally melt and smoke.
In parallel, I bought some Nomex lace, which also does not care about getting cooked by a heat gun, and will probably add this next to the normal lace in places that might be exposed to additional heat from the exhaust pipes. Will give some feedback in a few years when I'm finally flying.
Not sure why, but working with the lace was very satisfying.
Mickey Coggins
On Wed, 9 May 2018 at 18:14, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Good point Bob...
In general BLACK Ty-Wraps are UV and Ozone proof. The white ones become brittle with time and exposure.
SOME - not all colored Ty-Wraps may also work.
One might even find notes on the Ty-Wrap packaging as to UV & Ozone resistant.
Barry
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
In a recent thread, TyWraps were discussed as a solution
for wire bundle management. We had some discussions on
these products about ten years back . . .
In years since, I've had occasion to throw out stocks
of unused TyWraps given that they had become brittle with
age . . . the buckles would snap off in the ordinary process
of applying the wrap.
Be aware that not all that is plastic is Nylon 6,6. Evolved
over the last 80+ years by DuPont. This material and its
close cousins have found their way into all manner of component,
many of which perform in under-hood environment of automobiles.
When purchasing these critters, look for a 6-6, 6/6, 66 or even
a 6,6 description of the nylon. The last time I was in Harbor
Freight, many of their offerings bore such markings . . . but
some did not . . . especially the smaller ones in assorted colors.
All the wraps I pitched a few years ago were smaller sizes
in various colors. Some had been in my Dad's inventory for untold
years and were literally falling apart.
My favorite bundle security uses Dacron flat lace applied
like so . . .
https://goo.gl/H3z1EQ
Did a job for a rancher friend yesterday where the wiring was
installed and initially held in place with some TyWraps he had
laying around . . . after it was up and running, I dug out the
roll of flat lace and installed a wrap adjacent to each of the
TyWraps. Those plastic thingies MIGHT fall off in a few years
but I'm betting the string will still be on duty.
Bob . . .
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