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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:11 pm Post subject: Endurance test

FWIW today I took flew 338nm starting with 27 gals and landed with 11.5.  



2:50 flight time according to my dynon....



William Daniell

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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:56 am Post subject: Endurance test

On 2018-06-30, at 23:10, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  FWIW today I took flew 338nm starting with 27 gals and landed with 11.5.  2:50 flight time according to my dynon…. 	




William - my worst personal Europa endurance test was right-seat in Tim Houlihan’s G-BZTH when I drank a bottle of water while hanging around waiting for his flight plan to mature - and then omitted to make a pre-takeoff rudder inspection. The flight was only 2 hours but it seemed a lot longer! I could not persuade Tim to deviate from his flight plan for a comfort stop.



Attached is a plot of a longer flight in the same aircraft which was MUCH more comfortable, thanks to better preflight actions. I can’t remember how much fuel was left at landing, but we were both comfortabe with it. 407.32 statute miles = 353.95 nautical miles, flight time 3:20.



in friendship



Rowland

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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:11 am Post subject: Endurance test

So it was like a car trip when dad wont stop.



I have a peepee tube....i need coffee in the mornings with predictable results 45 mins later.   Its not an entirely "watertight" process so I plan to add adult diapers for the longer legs required to get me to miami.....

By the way id like see see designs for relief tubes....perhaps offline as this is a family show.

I have a 10 gal turtlepack bladder in cradle that is strapped to the tie bar.   The fuel is fed to the tank via a facet pump.   I made a push button operating switch per buds comments.     I transferred the fuel every 20 mins, you can feel the pump operating and  you can see the fuel rising up the cobra.   The pump feels different when sucking air and when the fuel in the bladder is expended....

Will



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On Sun, Jul 1, 2018, 13:59 Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  On 2018-06-30, at 23:10, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  FWIW today I took flew 338nm starting with 27 gals and landed with 11.5.  



2:50 flight time according to my dynon….

	




William - my worst personal Europa endurance test was right-seat in Tim Houlihan’s G-BZTH when I drank a bottle of water while hanging around waiting for his flight plan to mature - and then omitted to make a pre-takeoff rudder inspection. The flight was only 2 hours but it seemed a lot longer! I could not persuade Tim to deviate from his flight plan for a comfort stop.

Attached is a plot of a longer flight in the same aircraft which was MUCH more comfortable, thanks to better preflight actions. I can’t remember how much fuel was left at landing, but we were both comfortabe with it. 407.32 statute miles = 353.95 nautical miles, flight time 3:20.

in friendship

Rowland



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creightonious

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:13 am Post subject: Endurance Test

The relief tube problem in the Europa is simplicity itself.

You will need a funnel of about 12-15cm diameter, 500mm of tubing which will fit over the funnel outlet and 2 zip ties.  (The funnels with a flat side are best)

Drill a hole the outside diameter of the tube in the underseat storage.  Install one zip tie a cm or 2 from the tube’s end and insert the tube into the hole.  Install the second zip tie near the end of the tube outside (the zip ties keep the tube in place).  The funnel stows under the seat, tubing around the front of the stick.

I’ve used this for 3 years on some of our 6+ hour legs.

Having an autopilot servo under the seat may complicate the installation slightly, but we’re experimenters and this should pose no problem.

Creighton A-009



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     1. 02:13 AM - Czech Trip - possible spare seat  (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)

     2. 06:11 AM - Re: Endurance test  (William Daniell)

     3. 09:19 AM - Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder  (willydewey)

 

 

 

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 Time: 02:13:43 AM PST US

 From: davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk

 Subject: Czech Trip  - possible spare seat

 

 

 Just a reminder that the Czech trip is due to start on Sunday 15/7/18. I

 have four plane signed up for this and there is a possibility that one

 of these may be able to offer a spare seat. Anyone interested (in the

 spare seat or the trip) come back to me soonest. Regards, David Joyce,

 G-XSDJ 

 

 

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 Time: 06:11:37 AM PST US

 From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>

 Subject: Re: Endurance test

 

 So it was like a car trip when dad wont stop.

 

 I have a peepee tube....i need coffee in the mornings with predictable

 results 45 mins later.   Its not an entirely "watertight" process so I plan

 to add adult diapers for the longer legs required to get me to miami.....

 

 By the way id like see see designs for relief tubes....perhaps offline as

 this is a family show.

 

 I have a 10 gal turtlepack bladder in cradle that is strapped to the tie

 bar.   The fuel is fed to the tank via a facet pump.   I made a push button

 operating switch per buds comments.     I transferred the fuel every 20

 mins, you can feel the pump operating and  you can see the fuel rising up

 the cobra.   The pump feels different when sucking air and when the fuel in

 the bladder is expended....

 

 Will

 

 

 William Daniell

 LONGPORT

 +57 310 295 0744

 

 

> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018, 13:59 Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> On 2018-06-30, at 23:10, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>

> wrote:

> 

> 

> FWIW today I took flew 338nm starting with 27 gals and landed with 11.5.

> 

> 2:50 flight time according to my dynon.

> 

> 

> William - my worst personal Europa endurance test was right-seat in Tim

> Houlihan=99s G-BZTH when I drank a bottle of water while hanging ar

 ound

> waiting for his flight plan to mature - and then omitted to make a

> pre-takeoff rudder inspection. The flight was only 2 hours but it seemed 

 a

> lot longer! I could not persuade Tim to deviate from his flight plan for 

 a

> comfort stop.

> 

> Attached is a plot of a longer flight in the same aircraft which was MUCH

> more comfortable, thanks to better preflight actions. I can=99t rem

 ember how

> much fuel was left at landing, but we were both comfortabe with it. 407.3

 2

> statute miles = 353.95 nautical miles, flight time 3:20.

> 

> in friendship

> 

> Rowland

> 

> 

 

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 Subject: Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder

 From: "willydewey" <willydewey(at)gmail.com>

 

 

 with compressed air from a large tire with the reservoir absolutely topped up It

 was a one hit solution for me!!

 would have been nicer if the reservoir was a tad larger

 

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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:30 am Post subject: Endurance Test

thanks



I imagine the suction from the airstream helps.....



William Daniell

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On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:12 AM, crouto <crouton(at)well.com> wrote:



[quote] 



 The relief tube problem in the Europa is simplicity itself.

 You will need a funnel of about 12-15cm diameter, 500mm of tubing which

 will fit over the funnel outlet and 2 zip ties.  (The funnels with a flat

 side are best)

 Drill a hole the outside diameter of the tube in the underseat storage.

 Install one zip tie a cm or 2 from the tube’s end and insert the tube into

 the hole.  Install the second zip tie near the end of the tube outside (the

 zip ties keep the tube in place).  The funnel stows under the seat, tubing

 around the front of the stick.

 I’ve used this for 3 years on some of our 6+ hour legs.

 Having an autopilot servo under the seat may complicate the installation

 slightly, but we’re experimenters and this should pose no problem

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