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motoadve
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 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:33 pm Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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New to this airplanes, love warbirds and they look fun.
2,000hr bush pilot here.
So what are the main items to look when buying either a Yak or CJ6?
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:46 pm Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Buy the Nanchang Buyers Guide at the RPA’s Online Store.https://flyredstar.org/catalog.php?cat=6&pid=97
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:39 am Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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The Yak has inverted systems the CJ does not, the Yak has a tighter cockpit the CJ is roomier, the CJ is faster, the Yak has 360 HP a stock CJ has 285 HP, the CJ is dimensionally larger.
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New to this airplanes, love warbirds and they look fun.
2,000hr bush pilot here.
So what are the main items to look when buying either a Yak or CJ6?
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motoadve
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Bought the buyers list, its useful, thanks for the advice.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:17 am Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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CJ-6
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wlannon(at)shaw.ca
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Excellent! Your decision is made.
You will love the Harvard/T6/SNJ which cover your specifications 110%.
However you may have to settle for the CJ6A which also pretty much covers.
It is a delightful aircraft to fly with light, perfectly balanced flight
controls (purely British in that regard).
There is only one serious down side which is they put the third wheel at the
wrong end!
Best;
Walt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Settle for a CJ? ??? settle?
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Excellent! Your decision is made.
You will love the Harvard/T6/SNJ which cover your specifications 110%.
However you may have to settle for the CJ6A which also pretty much covers.
It is a delightful aircraft to fly with light, perfectly balanced flight
controls (purely British in that regard).
There is only one serious down side which is they put the third wheel at the
wrong end!
Best;
Walt
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nylbrooks
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Sir,
I don't believe you can go wrong with either aircraft. That being said, their strengths and weaknesses are a bit different. Define what your mission will be for the majority of your flights and choose from there. (Mine was the CJ6A).
The most important bit of advice is read this list on a regular basis! The folks who offer their expertise on this list to help solve maintenance issues are incredible. A few of the names who can be of great help are Doug, Dennis, Mark, Doc, Walt, Pappy and several others.
Good Luck!
Ken
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motoadve
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Its a bit of a lottery, if the previous owner didnt do the starting procedure correctly then a rod could be bent and its not possible to tell.
The ones I am looking, one of the CJ 6 has been owned for 17 years by same guy and engine has 400hrs, I guess if he didnt do the proper procedure it would have been damaged by now. Compression tests in the 70s all cylinder at last inspection.
Although a bad rod wont affect compressions.
Any signs at what to look for that can show some signs of a bent rod?
Also is the year important? I looked at a 1972, and a 1983, both about same time on the engine and paint, 1983 plane has 1,000 less total time, owner wants $5,000 more than the one from 1972, and does not include parachutes.
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jay-dub
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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I owned one of each until this week, having just sold my share in the -52. While I wouldn't want to discuss the market as I'm on the opposite side of the Atlantic, as an ownership proposition, I would recommend the CJ over the -52.
It was designed to be field serviceable where the -52 was intended to be returned to the factory regularly for what amounted to a full rebuild. The CJ is still in production so parts are easier to get hold of for the CJ, either from China directly or from the likes of Doug Sapp.
From a flying point of view, the CJ is a primary trainer so has pretty viceless handling. It can bite but it's less critical than the -52. The -52 was designed as an aerobatic machine so has a significantly faster roll rate and climbs significantly better (assuming the CJ is stock). It can fly the full Aresti catalogue although it's a bit like doing it in a tractor. In short, if you want to fly gentleman's/warbird aeros and tour, get the CJ. If you want to rearrange your internal organs with some negative G on short flights, buy the -52.
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Viperdoc
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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You can measure rod throw at TDC for each cylinder. I have forgotten the allowable difference for the M14. It is in the TOs. Richard Goode has quoted it before.
Doc
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| Quote: | On Oct 6, 2018, at 12:48 PM, motoadve <motoadve(at)racsa.co.cr> wrote:
Its a bit of a lottery, if the previous owner didnt do the starting procedure correctly then a rod could be bent and its not possible to tell.
The ones I am looking, one of the CJ 6 has been owned for 17 years by same guy and engine has 400hrs, I guess if he didnt do the proper procedure it would have been damaged by now. Compression tests in the 70s all cylinder at last inspection.
Although a bad rod wont affect compressions.
Any signs at what to look for that can show some signs of a bent rod?
Also is the year important? I looked at a 1972, and a 1983, both about same time on the engine and paint, 1983 plane has 1,000 less total time, owner wants $5,000 more than the one from 1972, and does not include parachutes.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483647#483647
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Clouddog
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:46 pm Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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CJ6. Gentleman Acro
YAK Climbs better with bigger engine
CJ6 flies faster on smaller engine and less fuel.
CJ6 bigger fuel tanks. Better for Cross Country . Speed, Endurance, Comfort
YAK smaller cockpit.
YAK no Avionics Bay to work behind panel.
CJ6 Big cargo compartment for tools, parts, suitcases, extra scuba tank for
more emmergency on the road air.
YAK. Nada
CJ6 Many Access panels on outside of aircraft for inspection and
maintenance.
YAK. Stand on you head from cockpits
CJ6 Still in production and flown in 8-10 countries. Parts available
CJ6 Did I mention faster, more fuel on board and burning less gas? (Auto
Fuel 83 ethenol free)!
CJ6 Super Cool gull wings.
YAK Hard core acro.
CJ6 Flush Rivited. Faster and easy to wax.
YAK maybe looks more hard military.
YAK & CJ6 Many parts shared.
CJ6 Main gear retracts completely with wheel well covers. Nose protrutes
slightly.
YAK All gear protrudes. Great for great up landings with brakes!
CJ6 Trailing link main gear. Super smooth carrier landings.
YAK straight gear struts. Brace yourself mama.
YAK typically cheaper to buy.
CJ6 typically cheaper to fly.
Look for smoke system, auto spark plugs conversion, elevator spar
reinforcement, parachute, jack's, engine and tail stands, spare parts,
spare engine (new or used), how's the canopys, radio equipment,fuel
computer, autopilot, headsets, etc etc. It all adds into the price.
Good Luck
Determine your primary mission and buy for your primary mission.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:16 pm Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Wax? What? | Quote: | On Oct 6, 2018, at 18:45, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22(at)gmail.com (clouddog22(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
CJ6. Gentleman AcroYAK Climbs better with bigger engine
CJ6 flies faster on smaller engine and less fuel.
CJ6 bigger fuel tanks. Better for Cross Country . Speed, Endurance, Comfort
YAK smaller cockpit.
YAK no Avionics Bay to work behind panel.
CJ6 Big cargo compartment for tools, parts, suitcases, extra scuba tank for more emmergency on the road air.
YAK. Nada
CJ6 Many Access panels on outside of aircraft for inspection and maintenance.
YAK. Stand on you head from cockpits
CJ6 Still in production and flown in 8-10 countries. Parts available
CJ6 Did I mention faster, more fuel on board and burning less gas? (Auto Fuel 83 ethenol free)!
CJ6 Super Cool gull wings.
YAK Hard core acro.
CJ6 Flush Rivited. Faster and easy to wax.
YAK maybe looks more hard military.
YAK & CJ6 Many parts shared.
CJ6 Main gear retracts completely with wheel well covers. Nose protrutes slightly.
YAK All gear protrudes. Great for great up landings with brakes!
CJ6 Trailing link main gear. Super smooth carrier landings.
YAK straight gear struts. Brace yourself mama.
YAK typically cheaper to buy.
CJ6 typically cheaper to fly.
Look for smoke system, auto spark plugs conversion, elevator spar reinforcement, parachute, jack's, engine and tail stands, spare parts, spare engine (new or used), how's the canopys, radio equipment,fuel computer, autopilot, headsets, etc etc. It all adds into the price.
Good Luck
Determine your primary mission and buy for your primary mission.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Ok almost closing the deal on a CJ6.
400 hrs engine IRAN, last inspection Dec 2017 all compressions in the 70s
Great paint
stock engine
stainless exhaust,
smoke system
2 parachutes,
large baggage
intake drains
Intercom
Transponder
No spin oil filter (This is the very first mod I would like to do(Where do I buy it?)
No auto spark plugs
Deal will include my checkout in the airplane.
I have a friend who is an A&P who will inspect it tomorrow, and if he said its ok I will fly it next week and buy it.
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fishmouth500
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:18 pm Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Congrats!! Hope the deal goes down ok
Click this link to find RPA members near your zip code
http://flyredstar.org/ziplookup.php
Fly often and be safe.
Cheers
John
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Ok almost closing the deal on a CJ6.
400 hrs engine IRAN, last inspection Dec 2017 all compressions in the 70s
Great paint
stock engine
stainless exhaust,
smoke system
 2 parachutes,
 large baggage
intake drains
Intercom
Transponder
No spin oil filter (This is the very first mod I would like to do(Where do I buy it?)
No auto spark plugs
Deal will include my checkout in the airplane.
I have a friend who is an A&P who will inspect it tomorrow, and if he said its ok I will fly it next week and buy it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483667#483667
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:24 pm Post subject: Buying a CJ6 or Yak 52, what to look for? |
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Craig Payne... Contact Larry at motoadve(at)racsa.co.cr
He's looking to purchase a spin on oil filter kit.
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