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Yellowhammer

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Location: Franklinton, Louisiana

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:45 am Post subject: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Gentleman,



I have a question regarding the composite extension referred  to in the manual for the 582 Kit. (my kit is #270). 



I cannot for the life of me determine what or where the "composite extension" is or located on the fuselage. 



Am I interpreting this incorrectly? 



Or is this a section that I must install? 



Thanks for your help in advance!



Clyde Oyler 

Yellowhammer

 985-515-5238

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:32 am Post subject: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Hi Clyde.

What page in the 582 manual do you refer to?

Regards ...> Alan

                  

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Gentleman,



I have a question regarding the composite extension referred  to in the manual for the 582 Kit. (my kit is #270). 



I cannot for the life of me determine what or where the "composite extension" is or located on the fuselage. 



Am I interpreting this incorrectly? 



Or is this a section that I must install? 



Thanks for your help in advance!



Clyde Oyler 



Yellowhammer



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Yellowhammer

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:43 am Post subject: Re: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Mr. Alan,



It is page 73 in both the 582 manual and the XP manual. Thank you sir for your help!



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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:56 am Post subject: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

The Pulsar kit came with some big sheets of flat composite and full scale drawings of parts that had to be cut out of the sheets. The part you referencing is a part that is cut out of the composite sheets.

   

 

   

 

   

 

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Yellowhammer

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Location: Franklinton, Louisiana

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:47 am Post subject: Re: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Mr. Alan,



I inherited my kit from a gentleman that completed less than 10% of the build and thus had it stored for some 20 odd years and he may have forgotten about a part or two accidentally. 



I will make a thorough search this evening when I get home on all of my components to see what I am missing exactly. I thought I was good to go until I ran across the "composite extension" portion. 



If I were to need to acquire some extra composite board material, what would be my best course of action to find an appropriate substitute in your opinion sir?



Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated sir.



Clyde

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Yellowhammer

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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:53 am Post subject: Re: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Mr. Alan, 

I failed to mention that the previous owner had all the parts cut out and there was only a 2' x 3' section remaining of composite board when I took ownership.



Thanks,

Clyde

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Yellowhammer

Joined: 21 Mar 2018
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Location: Franklinton, Louisiana

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:54 am Post subject: Re: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Mr. Alan, 

I failed to mention that the previous owner had all the parts cut out and there was only a 2' x 3' section remaining of composite board when I took ownership.



Thanks,

Clyde

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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:49 am Post subject: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

If your talking about being short of the composite flat panels you can just make your own.   I would make my own instead of buying a panel. Take 9 oz woven glass cloth and wet it out with epoxy laminating resin on a plastic sheet that was waxed with carnuba car wax as a release. Get some 3-4 lb density Last a Foam, 1/4â€ thick from Aircraft Spruce and put that on the glass skin. Lay another glass ply over the core to close out the sandwich. You end up with skins about .012â€ thick. Overall thickness of sandwich around .275â€.  It pretty easy to do.  I have tried it and it works good.

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Mr. Alan,



I inherited my kit from a gentleman that completed less than 10% of the build and thus had it stored for some 20 odd years and he may have forgotten about a part or two accidentally. 



I will make a thorough search this evening when I get home on all of my components to see what I am missing exactly. I thought I was good to go until I ran across the "composite extension" portion. 



If I were to need to acquire some extra composite board material, what would be my best course of action to find an appropriate substitute in your opinion sir?



Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated sir.



Clyde



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Yellowhammer

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Location: Franklinton, Louisiana

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:41 am Post subject: Re: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Dear Pulsar Drivers and Builder's,



I finally figured out the composite extension question . 



I took time when I got home from work yesterday to methodically go over each part of the composite board sections that were cut out prior to my owners ship. The pencil marking on the extension pieces have faded and I had to break out my watch makers magnifying glass to read it but I found the sections. 



I apologize to all. When I picked up my kit, the gentleman I acquired it from had already completed the following:



1. All parts were cut out from Composite Board supplied from Aero Designs.

2. Fuselage Halves were joined properly. 

3. Tricycle gear cut out, seat belt attachment plate dug out, and the lower seat back procedure completed also.

4. Rear Access/Inspection Panel cut out and mounted to nut plates (poorly) so I am redoing them. I will be installing 8 instead of the four nut plates specified because I feel it will provide more strength and a more stream lined appearance. I will have to re-tap the holes as well as they were not done to my standards. 

5. Vert. Stabilizer Competed with Co-Axial Cable installed.



That is all that was done when I picked it up.



I am assuming (and I hate to assume) since the fuselage was resting in his garage for over 20 years it caused some pitting in some of the areas that have edges particularly the molded air foil where the wings attach on the upper side and rear edges.

 My plan, and please correct me if I am wrong, is to simply add micro to fill and smooth these areas out to prevent further degradation. 

 I am using Aero-Poxy brand epoxy. 



One thing I would like to change is the method of opening the canopy. 



I would like to have the canopy open up towards the front instead of the roll/slide and channel method provided in the kit. I have seen a few Pulsar's like this. For clarity, I want to copy the method the Evektor Sportstar uses with the gas struts. 

If I am thinking wrong please correct. 



Thanks to all.



Clyde

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Yellowhammer

Joined: 21 Mar 2018
Posts: 101
Location: Franklinton, Louisiana

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:41 am Post subject: Re: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

Dear Pulsar Drivers and Builder's,



I finally figured out the composite extension question . 



I took time when I got home from work yesterday to methodically go over each part of the composite board sections that were cut out prior to my owners ship. The pencil marking on the extension pieces have faded and I had to break out my watch makers magnifying glass to read it but I found the sections. 



I apologize to all. When I picked up my kit, the gentleman I acquired it from had already completed the following:



1. All parts were cut out from Composite Board supplied from Aero Designs.

2. Fuselage Halves were joined properly. 

3. Tricycle gear cut out, seat belt attachment plate dug out, and the lower seat back procedure completed also.

4. Rear Access/Inspection Panel cut out and mounted to nut plates (poorly) so I am redoing them. I will be installing 8 instead of the four nut plates specified because I feel it will provide more strength and a more stream lined appearance. I will have to re-tap the holes as well as they were not done to my standards. 

5. Vert. Stabilizer Competed with Co-Axial Cable installed.



That is all that was done when I picked it up.



I am assuming (and I hate to assume) since the fuselage was resting in his garage for over 20 years it caused some pitting in some of the areas that have edges particularly the molded air foil where the wings attach on the upper side and rear edges.

 My plan, and please correct me if I am wrong, is to simply add micro to fill and smooth these areas out to prevent further degradation. 

 I am using Aero-Poxy brand epoxy. 



One thing I would like to change is the method of opening the canopy. 



I would like to have the canopy open up towards the front instead of the roll/slide and channel method provided in the kit. I have seen a few Pulsar's like this. For clarity, I want to copy the method the Evektor Sportstar uses with the gas struts. 

If I am thinking wrong please correct. 



Thanks to all.



Clyde

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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:13 pm Post subject: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

The rear access panel (under the vertical tail) is in a low stress area. 4 screws are all that is needed there.



The "pitting" you describe is probably normal porosity of the composite and would have been there since the part came out of the mold. This is not something that can show up over time, unless there was a mouse that has developed a taste for plastic.

Sonja

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 Dear Pulsar Drivers and Builder's,

 

 I finally figured out the composite extension question . 

 

 I took time when I got home from work yesterday to methodically go over each part of the composite board sections that were cut out prior to my owners ship. The pencil marking on the extension pieces have faded and I had to break out my watch makers magnifying glass to read it but I found the sections. 

 

 I apologize to all. When I picked up my kit, the gentleman I acquired it from had already completed the following:

 

 1. All parts were cut out from Composite Board supplied from Aero Designs.

 2. Fuselage Halves were joined properly. 

 3. Tricycle gear cut out, seat belt attachment plate dug out, and the lower seat back procedure completed also.

 4. Rear Access/Inspection Panel cut out and mounted to nut plates (poorly) so I am redoing them. I will be installing 8 instead of the four nut plates specified because I feel it will provide more strength and a more stream lined appearance. I will have to re-tap the holes as well as they were not done to my standards. 

 5. Vert. Stabilizer Competed with Co-Axial Cable installed.

 

 That is all that was done when I picked it up.

 

 I am assuming (and I hate to assume) since the fuselage was resting in his garage for over 20 years it caused some pitting in some of the areas that have edges particularly the molded air foil where the wings attach on the upper side and rear edges.

 Â My plan, and please correct me if I am wrong, is to simply add micro to fill and smooth these areas out to prevent further degradation. 

 Â I am using Aero-Poxy brand epoxy. 

 

 One thing I would like to change is the method of opening the canopy. 

 

 I would like to have the canopy open up towards the front instead of the roll/slide and channel method provided in the kit. I have seen a few Pulsar's like this. For clarity, I want to copy the method the Evektor Sportstar uses with the gas struts. 

 If I am thinking wrong please correct. 

 

 Thanks to all.

 

 Clyde

 

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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:04 am Post subject: Re: 582 Pulsar Fuselage Question

 	  paqs345(at)gmail.com wrote: 	
		  The rear access panel (under the vertical tail) is in a low stress area. 4 screws are all that is needed there.



The "pitting" you describe is probably normal porosity of the composite and would have been there since the part came out of the mold. This is not something that can show up over time, unless there was a mouse that has developed a taste for plastic.

Sonja

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 Dear Pulsar Drivers and Builder's,

 

 I finally figured out the composite extension question . 

 

 I took time when I got home from work yesterday to methodically go over each part of the composite board sections that were cut out prior to my owners ship. The pencil marking on the extension pieces have faded and I had to break out my watch makers magnifying glass to read it but I found the sections. 

 

 I apologize to all. When I picked up my kit, the gentleman I acquired it from had already completed the following:

 

 1. All parts were cut out from Composite Board supplied from Aero Designs.

 2. Fuselage Halves were joined properly. 

 3. Tricycle gear cut out, seat belt attachment plate dug out, and the lower seat back procedure completed also.

 4. Rear Access/Inspection Panel cut out and mounted to nut plates (poorly) so I am redoing them. I will be installing 8 instead of the four nut plates specified because I feel it will provide more strength and a more stream lined appearance. I will have to re-tap the holes as well as they were not done to my standards. 

 5. Vert. Stabilizer Competed with Co-Axial Cable installed.

 

 That is all that was done when I picked it up.

 

 I am assuming (and I hate to assume) since the fuselage was resting in his garage for over 20 years it caused some pitting in some of the areas that have edges particularly the molded air foil where the wings attach on the upper side and rear edges.

 Â My plan, and please correct me if I am wrong, is to simply add micro to fill and smooth these areas out to prevent further degradation. 

 Â I am using Aero-Poxy brand epoxy. 

 

 One thing I would like to change is the method of opening the canopy. 

 

 I would like to have the canopy open up towards the front instead of the roll/slide and channel method provided in the kit. I have seen a few Pulsar's like this. For clarity, I want to copy the method the Evektor Sportstar uses with the gas struts. 

 If I am thinking wrong please correct. 

 

 Thanks to all.

 

 Clyde

 

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Not sure about mice and there taste for plastic but I will say that all rodents have to grind there teeth down or they will grow out so much that it would eventually kill them. They will chew cement fiber board right off the sides of your house!

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