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ronburnett(at)charter.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:23 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.



If I canâ€™t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?



Thanks for any ideas



Ron Burnett 

RV-6A



May you have the Lord's blessings today!

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alec(at)alecmyers.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:48 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

Wouldnâ€™t it be better to replace the connector shell? Theyâ€™re inexpensive.



On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Ron Burnett <ronburnett(at)charter.net> wrote:






I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.



If I canâ€™t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?



Thanks for any ideas



Ron Burnett 

RV-6A



May you have the Lord's blessings today!

Sent from my iPad

ronburnett(at)charter.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:00 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

Alex,



I thought about that but then I would have to extract all the pins.  Donâ€™t seem to have much luck with Radio Shack extractors. 



Maybe only solution.



Thanks,



Ron Burnett 



May you have the Lord's blessings today!

Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Jul 2, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Wouldnâ€™t it be better to replace the connector shell? Theyâ€™re inexpensive.

 

 

 

 On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Ron Burnett <ronburnett(at)charter.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

 

 If I canâ€™t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

 

 Thanks for any ideas

 

 Ron Burnett 

 RV-6A

 

 May you have the Lord's blessings today!

 Sent from my iPad

art(at)zemon.name
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:10 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

I can probably get that out out for you, Ron. Give me a call



Â Â Â  -- Art Z.



Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 7:38 PM Ron Burnett <ronburnett(at)charter.net (ronburnett(at)charter.net)> wrote:



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 I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot inÂ  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

 

 If I canâ€™t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

 

 Thanks for any ideas

 

 Ron Burnett 

 RV-6A

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:47 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

I imagine that your problem is that you now cannot grip the female pin from the rear.

Insert the extraction tool and push with a male pin into the female pin and that should push the female pin out with the tool

Hope this helps

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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:54 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

Art,



I can fly the plane this way. I can fly somewhere to meet you after the 4th. M71 where I am based is inconvenient.

Your skills have far exceeded mine. 

Thanks 

Ron Burnett 



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On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name (art(at)zemon.name)> wrote:

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		  I can probably get that out out for you, Ron. Give me a call



    -- Art Z.



Sent from my phone. Please excuse brevity and bizarre typos.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 7:38 PM Ron Burnett <ronburnett(at)charter.net (ronburnett(at)charter.net)> wrote:



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 I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

 

 If I canâ€™t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

 

 Thanks for any ideas

 

 Ron Burnett 

 RV-6A

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:00 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

Mike,



Will give it a try when I can.  Sounds like it might work.  Ashamed I didnâ€™t think of it.

Thanks 

Ron Burnett



May you have the Lord's blessings today!

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[quote] On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:45 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com> <mike(at)vision499.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I imagine that your problem is that you now cannot grip the female pin from the rear.

 Insert the extraction tool and push with a male pin into the female pin and that should push the female pin out with the tool

 Hope this helps

 

 

 --

art(at)zemon.name
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:01 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

Ron,

I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. 

First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.

Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. SeeÂ http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf

After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.

Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you.

Cheers,

Â  Â  -- Art Z.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 7:38 PM Ron Burnett <ronburnett(at)charter.net (ronburnett(at)charter.net)> wrote:



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		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ron Burnett <ronburnett(at)charter.net (ronburnett(at)charter.net)>

 

 I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot inÂ  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool. 	


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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:09 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

At 07:37 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:

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		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com>



 Wouldnâ€™t it be better to replace the connector shell? Theyâ€™re inexpensive. 	


  Agreed. Also, consider acquiring one of these

  tools:



  Specs at:  



  https://tinyurl.com/y272xsku



 

   You can buy replacement tips from Digikey too



 



 [img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20190702210312.052b80c8(at)aeroelectric.com.0[/img] 



  from Digikey at:



  https://tinyurl.com/y6f6p9uu



  This is the one I carried at Beech for years; works with

  a broad range of connectors . . . including D-sub

  20 and 22s



 

 

   Bob . . .

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argoldman(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:07 pm Post subject: Pin extract problem

So the real question I have is what were the circumstances under which the wire came out of the pin.  What kind of pins and what kind of crimped did you use?



When crimped and strain relieffed properly these are pretty strong. My concern is that if one came out are others to follow because of improper crimping. To be certain, I would give each Eire a tug. 



I only use machined males and females and have replaced off brand with AMP BRAND MACHINED PINS/sockets. Perhaps that is my paranoia speaking



Rich



Sent from my iPhone



[quote] On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:45 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com> <mike(at)vision499.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I imagine that your problem is that you now cannot grip the female pin from the rear.

 Insert the extraction tool and push with a male pin into the female pin and that should push the female pin out with the tool

 Hope this helps

 

 

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:23 am Post subject: Pin extract problem

At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Ron,



 I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. 



 First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.



 Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. SeeÂ  http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf 



 After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.



 Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you. 	


   When extracting a female pin that

   has become detached from its

   wire can be pushed out from the

   mating side with another female

   pin.



   The plastic handled tools have two

   ends, one tailored for extraction . . .

   the other for insertion. They are

   identified by the color of the plastic

   handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes

   that speaks to the details.



  https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc



   Unless and until the extraction

   tool is properly seated around

   the installed pin, the retaining

   barbs in the housing remain in

   firm control of the pin.



 



 



 



 

   Bob . . .

ceengland7(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:53 am Post subject: Pin extract problem

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 8:28 AM Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Ron,



 I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. 



 First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.



 Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. SeeÃ‚  http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf 



 After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.



 Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you. 	


 Â  When extracting a female pin that

 Â  has become detached from its

 Â  wire can be pushed out from the

 Â  mating side with another female

 Â  pin.



 Â  The plastic handled tools have two

 Â  ends, one tailored for extraction . . .

 Â  the other for insertion. They are

 Â  identified by the color of the plastic

 Â  handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes

 Â  that speaks to the details.



  https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc



 Â  Unless and until the extraction

 Â  tool is properly seated around

 Â  the installed pin, the retaining

 Â  barbs in the housing remain in

 Â  firm control of the pin.



 



 



 



 

 Â  Bob . . .

	
Heads-up; the 'click here' for more info link Â in the last frame just goes to your site search page. Also, the price of the tool has gone up a bit...

tyco (at) Digikey

nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:02 am Post subject: Pin extract problem

At 07:06 PM 7/3/2019, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: A R Goldman <argoldman(at)aol.com>



 So the real question I have is what were the circumstances under which the wire came out of the pin.  What kind of pins and what kind of crimped did you use?



 When crimped and strain relieffed properly these are pretty strong. My concern is that if one came out are others to follow because of improper crimping. To be certain, I would give each Eire a tug. 



 I only use machined males and females and have replaced off brand with AMP BRAND MACHINED PINS/sockets. Perhaps that is my paranoia speaking 	


  good points. to be sure the open-barrel

  formed sheet metal pins are more susceptible

  to failures of tooling and technique.



  Pins marketed under the mil spec numbers

  are low risk . . . as are most of the

  commercial clones.



  https://tinyurl.com/y5ttnnrh



  https://tinyurl.com/y6o6n98d

  

  What gage wire are we talking about?



  Did the wire pull out or break off?

  If pulled out, it's a sure bet that

  it was under-crimped . . . hard to

  do with a ratchet 4-die tool . . .

  unless it was a really too-small

  wire.



  When putting 24-26 AWG into a D20

  pin, I double over the stranding.

  As a design rule, I very rarely use

  anything smaller than 22AWG for

  any purpose . . . disadvantages

  far outweigh the advantages. 

  



 

 

   Bob . . .

ronburnett(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:48 am Post subject: Pin extract problem

I must plead guilty as I set this up to happen. I added a GRT Sport after OSH 2 years ago and ran an unbundled wire to the new unit.  Then after last OSH I added UAT Echo/Safe-fly.  Had always planned to run more wires to the second unit but havenâ€™t figured it all out yet, so the serial port crossover that fed ADBS and the second screen was the culprit and broken wire at the female pin. I pulled the main EFIS and it was hanging by the wires.  Marines call all this a self inflicted wound, but it is still a wound.



I am also guilty of loving to fly more than work on the panel, especially in the summer heat.

Thanks to this list and Bob for all the helpful advice.

Ron  Burnett 





May you have the Lord's blessings today!Sent from my iPad

On Jul 4, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    At 07:06 PM 7/3/2019, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: A R Goldman <argoldman(at)aol.com (argoldman(at)aol.com)>



 So the real question I have is what were the circumstances under which the wire came out of the pin.  What kind of pins and what kind of crimped did you use?



 When crimped and strain relieffed properly these are pretty strong. My concern is that if one came out are others to follow because of improper crimping. To be certain, I would give each Eire a tug. 



 I only use machined males and females and have replaced off brand with AMP BRAND MACHINED PINS/sockets. Perhaps that is my paranoia speaking 	


  good points. to be sure the open-barrel

  formed sheet metal pins are more susceptible

  to failures of tooling and technique.



  Pins marketed under the mil spec numbers

  are low risk . . . as are most of the

  commercial clones.



  https://tinyurl.com/y5ttnnrh



  https://tinyurl.com/y6o6n98d

  

  What gage wire are we talking about?



  Did the wire pull out or break off?

  If pulled out, it's a sure bet that

  it was under-crimped . . . hard to

  do with a ratchet 4-die tool . . .

  unless it was a really too-small

  wire.



  When putting 24-26 AWG into a D20

  pin, I double over the stranding.

  As a design rule, I very rarely use

  anything smaller than 22AWG for

  any purpose . . . disadvantages

  far outweigh the advantages. 

  



 

 

   Bob . . .

ronburnett(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Pin extract problem

My problem has been the extractor tool I have will not slip over the female pin.  I have tried until I am ashamed. 



Ron Burnett 



May you have the Lord's blessings today!Sent from my iPad

On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Ron,



 I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. 



 First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.



 Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. SeeÃ‚  http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf 



 After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.



 Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you. 	


   When extracting a female pin that

   has become detached from its

   wire can be pushed out from the

   mating side with another female

   pin.



   The plastic handled tools have two

   ends, one tailored for extraction . . .

   the other for insertion. They are

   identified by the color of the plastic

   handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes

   that speaks to the details.



  https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc



   Unless and until the extraction

   tool is properly seated around

   the installed pin, the retaining

   barbs in the housing remain in

   firm control of the pin.



 



 



 



 

   Bob . . .

lyleapgmc

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Posts: 57

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:02 am Post subject: Pin extract problem

I bought two metal pin extraction tools at the local auto parts       store, in the aviation department.

          On 7/4/2019 1:50 PM, Ron Burnett wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                My problem has been the extractor tool I have will not slip over       the female pin. Â I have tried until I am ashamed.Â        

       

       Ron BurnettÂ 

         

         May you have the Lord's           blessings today!           Sent from my iPad

         

         

           On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>           wrote:

           

         

          	  Quote: 	
		                          At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:

                	  Quote: 	
		  Ron,

                 

                 I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down                 at my laptop and                 type a real reply to you. 

                 

                 First, use one of the extraction tools made out of                 metal. If your Radio                 Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the                 job done and it                 might not work at all.

                 

                 Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin.                 That is the more                 round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a                 spoon. SeeÃ‚                  http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf                 

                 

                 After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with                 tweezers or small                 needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is                 in place and has                 compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with                 minimal force. If the                 pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90                 degrees or so, and                 try again.

                 

                 Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for                 you. 	
               

               Â  When extracting a female pin that

               Â  has become detached from its

               Â  wire can be pushed out from the

               Â  mating side with another female

               Â  pin.

               

               Â  The plastic handled tools have two

               Â  ends, one tailored for extraction . . .

               Â  the other for insertion. They are

               Â  identified by the color of the plastic

               Â  handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes

               Â  that speaks to the details.

               

                                https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc

               

               Â  Unless and until the extraction

               Â  tool is properly seated around

               Â  the installed pin, the retaining

               Â  barbs in the housing remain in

               Â  firm control of the pin.

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

                            

                 Â  Bob . . .

donvansanten(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:16 am Post subject: Pin extract problem

The red and white pin tool has an insertion end (red) and an extraction end (white). Sometimes it is difficult to get the white one on a socket. In that case I have had good luck using the insertion tool to do the extraction.



On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 12:07 Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)centurylink.net (lyleap(at)centurylink.net)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		                     

I bought two metal pin extraction tools at the local auto parts       store, in the aviation department.

          On 7/4/2019 1:50 PM, Ron Burnett wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		                My problem has been the extractor tool I have will not slip over       the female pin.Â  I have tried until I am ashamed.Â        

       

       Ron BurnettÂ 

         

         May you have the Lord's           blessings today!           Sent from my iPad

         

         

           On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>           wrote:

           

         

          	  Quote: 	
		                          At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:

                	  Quote: 	
		  Ron,

                 

                 I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down                 at my laptop and                 type a real reply to you. 

                 

                 First, use one of the extraction tools made out of                 metal. If your Radio                 Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the                 job done and it                 might not work at all.

                 

                 Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin.                 That is the more                 round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a                 spoon. SeeÃ‚                  http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf                 

                 

                 After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with                 tweezers or small                 needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is                 in place and has                 compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with                 minimal force. If the                 pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90                 degrees or so, and                 try again.

                 

                 Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for                 you. 	
               

               Â  When extracting a female pin that

               Â  has become detached from its

               Â  wire can be pushed out from the

               Â  mating side with another female

               Â  pin.

               

               Â  The plastic handled tools have two

               Â  ends, one tailored for extraction . . .

               Â  the other for insertion. They are

               Â  identified by the color of the plastic

               Â  handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes

               Â  that speaks to the details.

               

                                https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc

               

               Â  Unless and until the extraction

               Â  tool is properly seated around

               Â  the installed pin, the retaining

               Â  barbs in the housing remain in

               Â  firm control of the pin.

               

               

               

               

               

               

               

                            

                 Â  Bob . . .

donvansanten(at)gmail.com
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