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docclv(at)windstream.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:54 am Post subject: TruTrak Sorcerer AP

Guys:  I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP.  In 

completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found 

out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently.  Called 

TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed.  Stephen at TruTrak 

said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as 

TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).  

Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the 

Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed.  Bruce at 

MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.  

Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.

Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part 

with?  Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos but 

has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the 

servos installed but might have reservations about installing the 

Sorcerer head.  Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install a 

Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already.  I am not sure I 

would install any TruTrak AP.  Doc N784DC docclv(at)windstream.net

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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:20 am Post subject: TruTrak Sorcerer AP

What EFIS do you have?

 

 

 With most of the major vendors, you can swap out the Trutrak servos with the EFIS vendor servos for less than$2k.  For many of us, that want an option when we built.   But it’s an option available now.  I’ll avoid the debate about  redundancy and having an external AP head.

 

 

 I think the blunder that Andrew made is that Bendix King reduce their dealers significantly last fall.  Many of those left aren’t EAB friendly or charge rates that only corporate flight department can afford.   This isn’t a support  model that is going to be well received by the EAB community, in which Trutrak built their business upon.

 

 

 I am of the opinion that not only does the gear need to continue to work, but access to quick, reasonable support, with reasonable costs is a requirement.  Eliminate one of these options for me and I’ll start look for other solutions.

 

 

 

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 Guys:  I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP.  In 

 completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found 

 out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently.  Called 

 TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed.  Stephen at TruTrak 

 said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as 

 TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).  

 Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the 

 Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed.  Bruce at 

 MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.  

 Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.

 Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part 

 with?  Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos but 

 has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the 

 servos installed but might have reservations about installing the 

 Sorcerer head.  Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install a 

 Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already.  I am not sure I 

 would install any TruTrak AP.  Doc N784DC docclv(at)windstream.net

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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:24 am Post subject: TruTrak Sorcerer AP

I had the right servo fail on my TruTak DigiFltII.  Ran into the same issue.... MidContinent was nice enough, but had none of the stuff needed for necessary repairs.  Bought a new motor on ebay for $40, and had a friend trouble shoot the circuit board.  It had 2 components that had failed.  He replaced those, and resoldered some other areas that wern't done originally to his satisfaction.  Works great now.  But maybe at some point will have to addres this issue again.  This appears to be exactly the same scenario everyone is running into with Plane Power and Skytech, when they were sold.  Both companies were VERY EAB friendly.  I live in Granbury Texas, which where the two companies were located, and it's owners and workforce were my neighbors.  Since I didn't live here when building the 10, I had installed B&C alternators and starter.  I'll be their sales increased not long after Hartzell purchase Plane Power and Skytech.

Don   1,200 hours and still loving it.

                  

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                         What EFIS do you have?

 

 

 With most of the major vendors, you can swap out the Trutrak servos with the EFIS vendor servos for less than$2k.  For many of us, that want an option when we built.   But itâ€™s an option available now.  Iâ€™ll avoid the debate about  redundancy and having an external AP head.

 

 

 I think the blunder that Andrew made is that Bendix King reduce their dealers significantly last fall.  Many of those left arenâ€™t EAB friendly or charge rates that only corporate flight department can afford.   This isnâ€™t a support  model that is going to be well received by the EAB community, in which Trutrak built their business upon.

 

 

 I am of the opinion that not only does the gear need to continue to work, but access to quick, reasonable support, with reasonable costs is a requirement.  Eliminate one of these options for me and Iâ€™ll start look for other solutions.

 

 

 

 Get Outlook for iOS

 

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 Subject: TruTrak Sorcerer AP  

 

  --> RV10-List message posted by: Doc <docclv(at)windstream.net>

 

 Guys:  I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP.  In 

 completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found 

 out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently.  Called 

 TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed.  Stephen at TruTrak 

 said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as 

 TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).  

 Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the 

 Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed.  Bruce at 

 MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.  

 Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.

 Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part 

 with?  Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos but 

 has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the 

 servos installed but might have reservations about installing the 

 Sorcerer head.  Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install a 

 Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already.  I am not sure I 

 would install any TruTrak AP.  Doc N784DC docclv(at)windstream.net

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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:29 am Post subject: TruTrak Sorcerer AP

Doc,



I had a similar scenario and ended up talking to Bruce at MCI as well.Â  He offered to upgrade my (AFS branded) TruTrak to the AeroCruze for $750.Â  I was told that my 12 year old servos are compatible.Â  As for the connector, Bruce said he difference was only one wire, moved to a differentÂ pin.Â  I could move it myself, or buy their $150 adapter.Â  Personally the upgrade would make sense.Â  YMMV.

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 Guys:Â  I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP.Â  In 

 completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found 

 out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently.Â  Called 

 TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed.Â  Stephen at TruTrak 

 said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as 

 TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).Â  

 Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the 

 Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed.Â  Bruce at 

 MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.Â  

 Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.

 Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part 

 with?Â  Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos but 

 has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the 

 servos installed but might have reservations about installing the 

 Sorcerer head.Â  Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install a 

 Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already.Â  I am not sure I 

 would install any TruTrak AP.Â  Doc N784DC docclv(at)windstream.net (docclv(at)windstream.net)

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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:38 am Post subject: Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP

IMHO new builders now have just two choices: an EFIS driven autopilot, or a Trio Pro for an independent autopilot. I think TruTrak shot themselves in the foot. BTW, I have nothing but praise for the Trio autopilot and the company.

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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:55 am Post subject: TruTrak Sorcerer AP

I still love my trutrak after all these 12 years. I hope it never goes out on me. But if it does Iâ€™m going to AFS for help.



Robert E Brunkenhoefer 



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