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 Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:47 pm Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Permatex makes a Gray Very High Temp Silicone #27036 good for up to 700F and a Red Very High Temp Silicone #27038 good for up to 750F. Does anyone have any experience using these FWF? Thx. Ron P.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:04 pm Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Never heard of Permatatex but FWF I use Permatex 27038.
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Permatatex makes a Gray Very High Temp Silicone #27036 good for up to 700F and a Red Very High Temp Silicone #27038 good for up to 750F. Does anyone have any experience using these FWF? Thx. Ron P.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:28 pm Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Ron,
What are you using it for? What FWF gets that hot and needs silicone?
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Permatatex makes a Gray Very High Temp Silicone #27036 good for up to 700F and a Red Very High Temp Silicone #27038 good for up to 750F. Does anyone have any experience using these FWF? Thx. Ron P. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:59 pm Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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My question, as well. I used silicone bath caulk to reseal baffles to the heads/cylinders on an RV4 Lyc 5 or 6 years ago, and it was still holding up well when I sold the plane last year.
A friend on the rotary engine list used it instead of a metal gasket to seal the exhaust manifold to the block on a racing rotary.
Charlie
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What are you using it for? What FWF gets that hot and needs silicone?
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Permatatex makes a Gray Very High Temp Silicone #27036 good for up to 700F and a Red Very High Temp Silicone #27038 good for up to 750F. Does anyone have any experience using these FWF? Thx. Ron P. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Hi Group
I use at the moment either Red High Temp from ACS Silicone or Gray Fire-barrier 2000. I figured if and when a fire were to occur having a slightly higher temperature range may be an OK thing. I need to order some more Silicone now. Not quite sure how to compare temperature range of Fire-barrier, can't quite find similar specs.
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Permatex makes a Gray Very High Temp Silicone #27036 good for up to 700F and a Red Very High Temp Silicone #27038 good for up to 750F. Does anyone have any experience using these FWF? Thx. Ron P.[/quote]
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Hi Group
I didn't answer question, I'm using Silicone to seal holes in Firewall. I'm using Silicone Grommets with thin SS shields and Aluminium collets and supplementing with Silicone. I made a huge pass through that after I fill with wires I will fill with Silicone:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9V3ShTVJz3u8ZMmo2t?e=ivjch0
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Ceengland
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:15 pm Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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For actual fireproofing, better choice is intumescent caulk. More expensive, but swells with heat to close space left by melting wite, etc, and is good to around 2k degrees.
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On Dec 17, 2020, at 10:58 PM, rparigoris <rparigor(at)hotmail.com (rparigor(at)hotmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | | Quote: | | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com>Hi GroupI didn't answer question, I'm using Silicone to seal holes in Firewall. I'm using Silicone Grommets with thin SS shields and Aluminium collets and supplementing with Silicone. I made a huge pass through that after I fill with wires I will fill with Silicone:[url=https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9V3ShTVJz3u8ZMmo2t?e=ivjch0]https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9V3ShTVJz3u8ZMmo2t?e=ivjch0[/url]Ron P.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499710#499710http://wiki.matronics.com[/url]http://www.matronics.com/contribution |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:31 pm Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Wow Charlie, neat stuff.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Hi Charlie
Thank you for reply. Can you recommend a specific caulk and perhaps where to buy it? Thx. Ron P.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:36 am Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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I’m using fire barrier 2000 by 3M on my RV8 project. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Fire-Barrier-Silicone-Sealant-2000-/?N=5002385+3293123941&rt=rud
Here is a good discussion on fire wall protection. https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=47587&highlight=Fire+barrier+2000
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Hi Group
I didn't answer question, I'm using Silicone to seal holes in Firewall. I'm using Silicone Grommets with thin SS shields and Aluminium collets and supplementing with Silicone. I made a huge pass through that after I fill with wires I will fill with Silicone:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9V3ShTVJz3u8ZMmo2t?e=ivjch0
Ron P.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:59 am Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Try google for Fire Barrier 2000. Like that it comes in grey. Steve
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:23 am Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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I used 3M Red Fire Barrier Sealant Caulk. Available in the aviation aisle of your local hardware store such as
https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-10-1-fl-oz-Red-Fire-Barrier-Sealant-Caulk-CP-25WB-Plus-CP25WB-10/100166701
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:21 PM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | For actual fireproofing, better choice is intumescent caulk. More expensive, but swells with heat to close space left by melting wite, etc, and is good to around 2k degrees.
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On Dec 17, 2020, at 10:58 PM, rparigoris <rparigor(at)hotmail.com (rparigor(at)hotmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | | Quote: | | --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rparigoris" <rparigor(at)hotmail.com (rparigor(at)hotmail.com)>Hi GroupI didn't answer question, I'm using Silicone to seal holes in Firewall. I'm using Silicone Grommets with thin SS shields and Aluminium collets and supplementing with Silicone. I made a huge pass through that after I fill with wires I will fill with Silicone:[url=https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9V3ShTVJz3u8ZMmo2t?e=ivjch0]https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9V3ShTVJz3u8ZMmo2t?e=ivjch0[/url]Ron P. |
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Ceengland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:57 am Post subject: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 11:57 PM rparigoris <rparigor(at)hotmail.com (rparigor(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Hi Charlie
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You've probably seen the other replies; 3M makes two kinds I've used. The red stuff is readily available at big box stores; it's latex based. Has a kinda gritty texture, but the red color might be its biggest drawback. The gray stuff is silicone based and has been a bit harder to find, but IIRC, Aircraft Spruce stocks it. Be aware that the gray is 'better', but more expensive and being silicone, I found it impossible to get more than a couple of closely spaced uses out of that expensive caulk tube before the entire tube cured into a big fireproof cylinder. Playing with 'the google' this morning brought up some other options that might be better/easier to use for our purposes. If you can find it in 'toothpaste tube' size, it'll likely be more than enough for one project. I had to buy gun sized tubes, and 95%+ cured in the tube and was wasted.
One thing to think about is that you're never really finished with a homebuilt. If you caulk the passthrough full, it'll be a real nightmare when (not if) you need to make changes. My plan for my passthroughs is to squirt out 1/4"-3/8" dia 'sticks' of the caulk onto a plastic sheet and let them cure, then stuff the empty spaces in the pass-through with them. Actual sealing will be with firesleeve over the stub of the passthrough, extending a bit onto the wire bundle, and held in place with stainless hose clamps, as has been described here and elsewhere. YMMV, etc. 
Charlie
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Hi Charlie Is this the gray stuff you are talking about from ACS?:
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000caulk.php?clickkey=18880
Does it expand as you were talking about? To compare it with the Permatex products that have a 750 and 700F temperature rating, what might the temperature rating of the Firebarrier 2000 be? Thx. Ron
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Has anyone used very high temp silicone FWF? |
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Posts 38 thru 42 this VAF thread "Firewall sealant and Fire Safety" could be interesting:
https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=72087
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