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 Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:11 am Post subject: Is 160F too cold. |
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I have a classic with an 80hp.
After several years of experimentation I have settled upon a cowl flap/exit air restrictor and, most important, a Laminova water-oil heat exchanger.
The cowl flap keeps the coolant temperature under control (210-220F) and the heat exchanger keeps the temps in lockstep in cruise. In climb, the oil temp stabilizes at 15-20degF over coolant temp. (I attribute this to heat load in the gearbox.)
If you Choose the Laminova, get the largest of the 3 standard sizes. It will not overcool.
(I started with the smallest, moved to the medium and had to install a coolant restrictor to force more coolant through the heat exchange section)
They are not returnable so go for the big one, it’s not a great deal lerger or more expensive.
In descent temps go to 170-180F. Cowl flapp closed.
It has been a lot of work, but I love my Laminova. I am in Vermont currently, with surface temperatures in the 20-25F range. (-5C)
Warmup is a bit quicker, too.
Creighton. 96EG. A009
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1. 08:53 AM - Re: Is 160 F too cold? (Erich Trombley)
2. 03:38 PM - Mono Slave Cyl O-ring (Kingsley Hurst)
3. 03:39 PM - Mono Slave Cyl O-ring (Kingsley Hurst)
4. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Is 160 F too cold? (William Daniell)
5. 09:10 PM - Buy (20Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 64GB Mini Unlocked $10,580 (matt63867)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 08:53:59 AM PST US
From: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com>
Subject: RE: Is 160 F too cold?
Hi William,
As far as engine damage, I cant say. However, it is outside the recommended temperature
range specified by Rotax. I had contemplated installing an oil thermostat
to solve the same issue, and decided to fabricate a cowl flap instead.
Works very well.
I close it off completely for engine start and initial warm up. I then either
open or close it to maintain CHT/oil temps in the specified range. As a bonus
I pick a few knots in cruise, especially in the winter months when, I have it
almost completely closed.
In use a small electric actuator to move the flap. I dont have the standard Europa
firewall forward, so my installation is different. However, Jim Butcher
fabricated a similar cowl flap for the Europa XS. He usually monitors the forum.
Regards,
Erich
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Time: 03:38:52 PM PST US
From: Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Mono Slave Cyl O-ring
Could someone advise the size/Part No of the Mono slave cylinder O ring please.
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 03:39:36 PM PST US
From: Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.au>
Subject: Mono Slave Cyl O-ring
Could someone advise the size/Part No of the Mono slave cylinder O ring please.
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:26:08 PM PST US
From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Is 160 F too cold?
Thanks everyone for the responses. A lot to think of. For now i have
ordered some high temp tape...while i consider my options.
Appreciate all the options offered
Will
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 11:57 Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> wrote:
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>
> Hi William,
>
> As far as engine damage, I can=99t say. However, it is outside the
> recommended temperature range specified by Rotax. I had contemplated
> installing an oil thermostat to solve the same issue, and decided to
> fabricate a cowl flap instead. Works very well.
>
> I close it off completely for engine start and initial warm up. I then
> either open or close it to maintain CHT/oil temps in the specified range.
> As a bonus I pick a few knots in cruise, especially in the winter months
> when, I have it almost completely closed.
>
> In use a small electric actuator to move the flap. I don=99t have
the
> standard Europa firewall forward, so my installation is different.
> However, Jim Butcher fabricated a similar cowl flap for the Europa XS. He
> usually monitors the forum.
>
> Regards,
> Erich
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Sponsored by
> https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign
=rss_taglines_more
>
> House Democrats Introduce Article of Impeachment
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823ab415123917e5st01duc1
> Promotion for Kim Jong Un, With Possible Dis for Sis
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823ad8e4223917e5st01duc2
> In Letter on Capitol Riot, Melania Trump Swings Back
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823b91ca23917e5st01duc3
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Time: 09:10:40 PM PST US
Subject: Buy (20Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 64GB Mini Unlocked $10,580
From: "matt63867" <matt63867(at)gmail.com>
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:00 am Post subject: Is 160F too cold. |
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Curious what the hottest ambient you’ve flown in?
Cheers,
Pete
C-GNPZ
| Quote: | On Jan 12, 2021, at 12:23 PM, crouton <crouton(at)well.com> wrote:
I have a classic with an 80hp.
After several years of experimentation I have settled upon a cowl flap/exit air restrictor and, most important, a Laminova water-oil heat exchanger.
The cowl flap keeps the coolant temperature under control (210-220F) and the heat exchanger keeps the temps in lockstep in cruise. In climb, the oil temp stabilizes at 15-20degF over coolant temp. (I attribute this to heat load in the gearbox.)
If you Choose the Laminova, get the largest of the 3 standard sizes. It will not overcool.
(I started with the smallest, moved to the medium and had to install a coolant restrictor to force more coolant through the heat exchange section)
They are not returnable so go for the big one, it’s not a great deal lerger or more expensive.
In descent temps go to 170-180F. Cowl flapp closed.
It has been a lot of work, but I love my Laminova. I am in Vermont currently, with surface temperatures in the 20-25F range. (-5C)
Warmup is a bit quicker, too.
Creighton. 96EG. A009
Sent from my iPad
> On Jan 12, 2021, at 02:35, Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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> ==================================================
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> ==================================================
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 21-01-11&Archive=Europa
>
> Text Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 21-01-11&Archive=Europa
>
>
> ================================================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
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> Europa-List Digest Archive
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> Total Messages Posted Mon 01/11/21: 5
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>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 08:53 AM - Re: Is 160 F too cold? (Erich Trombley)
> 2. 03:38 PM - Mono Slave Cyl O-ring (Kingsley Hurst)
> 3. 03:39 PM - Mono Slave Cyl O-ring (Kingsley Hurst)
> 4. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Is 160 F too cold? (William Daniell)
> 5. 09:10 PM - Buy (20Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 64GB Mini Unlocked $10,580 (matt63867)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:53:59 AM PST US
> From: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com>
> Subject: RE: Is 160 F too cold?
>
>
> Hi William,
>
> As far as engine damage, I cant say. However, it is outside the recommended temperature
> range specified by Rotax. I had contemplated installing an oil thermostat
> to solve the same issue, and decided to fabricate a cowl flap instead.
> Works very well.
>
> I close it off completely for engine start and initial warm up. I then either
> open or close it to maintain CHT/oil temps in the specified range. As a bonus
> I pick a few knots in cruise, especially in the winter months when, I have it
> almost completely closed.
>
> In use a small electric actuator to move the flap. I dont have the standard Europa
> firewall forward, so my installation is different. However, Jim Butcher
> fabricated a similar cowl flap for the Europa XS. He usually monitors the forum.
>
> Regards,
> Erich
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_taglines_more
>
> House Democrats Introduce Article of Impeachment
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823ab415123917e5st01duc1
> Promotion for Kim Jong Un, With Possible Dis for Sis
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823ad8e4223917e5st01duc2
> In Letter on Capitol Riot, Melania Trump Swings Back
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823b91ca23917e5st01duc3
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:38:52 PM PST US
> From: Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.au>
> Subject: Mono Slave Cyl O-ring
>
>
> Could someone advise the size/Part No of the Mono slave cylinder O ring please.
>
>
> Regards
> Kingsley in Oz
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:39:36 PM PST US
> From: Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.au>
> Subject: Mono Slave Cyl O-ring
>
>
> Could someone advise the size/Part No of the Mono slave cylinder O ring please.
>
>
> Regards
> Kingsley in Oz
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:26:08 PM PST US
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: Is 160 F too cold?
>
> Thanks everyone for the responses. A lot to think of. For now i have
> ordered some high temp tape...while i consider my options.
> Appreciate all the options offered
> Will
>
> William Daniell
> +1 786 878 0246
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 11:57 Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> wrote:
>
> m
>>>
>>
>> Hi William,
>>
>> As far as engine damage, I can=99t say. However, it is outside the
>> recommended temperature range specified by Rotax. I had contemplated
>> installing an oil thermostat to solve the same issue, and decided to
>> fabricate a cowl flap instead. Works very well.
>>
>> I close it off completely for engine start and initial warm up. I then
>> either open or close it to maintain CHT/oil temps in the specified range.
>> As a bonus I pick a few knots in cruise, especially in the winter months
>> when, I have it almost completely closed.
>>
>> In use a small electric actuator to move the flap. I don=99t have
> the
>> standard Europa firewall forward, so my installation is different.
>> However, Jim Butcher fabricated a similar cowl flap for the Europa XS. He
>> usually monitors the forum.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erich
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Sponsored by
>> https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign
> =rss_taglines_more
>>
>> House Democrats Introduce Article of Impeachment
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823ab415123917e5st01duc1
>> Promotion for Kim Jong Un, With Possible Dis for Sis
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823ad8e4223917e5st01duc2
>> In Letter on Capitol Riot, Melania Trump Swings Back
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5ffc823b91ca23917e5st01duc3
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:10:40 PM PST US
> Subject: Buy (20Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 64GB Mini Unlocked $10,580
> From: "matt63867" <matt63867(at)gmail.com>
>
>
> Available Now, View Our Site For Best Price List!!!
>
> Company Name: Halgatetech
> 3500 WILSHIRE BLVD
> Los Angeles CA 90010 USA
> Email: sales (at) halgatetech . com
> Website: www . halgatetech . com
> Tel: +1-213-432-4350
> Whatsapp: +1-213-460-5996
>
> Buy 5 Pieces Apple iPhone 12 Mini 5G
> (64GB $3,645, 128GB $3,895, 256GB $4,395)
>
> Buy 10 Pieces Apple iPhone 12 Mini 5G
> (64GB $6,290, 128GB $6,790, 256GB $7,790)
>
> Buy 20 Pieces Apple iPhone 12 Mini 5G
> (64GB $10,580, 128GB $11,580, 256GB $13,580)
>
> Buy 30 Pieces Apple iPhone 12 12 Mini 5G
> (64GB $12,870, 128GB $14,370, 256GB $17,370)
>
> Buy 50 Pieces Apple iPhone 12 Mini 5G
> (64GB $16,450, 128GB $18,950, 256GB $23,950)
>
> Buy 100 Pieces Apple iPhone 12 Mini 5G
> (64GB $22,900, 128GB $27,900, 256GB $37,900)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500149#500149
>
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Is 160F too cold. |
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hello,
do you have some pictures of your installation? Did you install an other water radiator for eliminate the warm?
many thanks
Olivier
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