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Gents,
Kit A291, now an airplane registered as N11EU, took to the skies early today at 7FL6.
I am very happy with the way the airplane flew. Nice and straight. I was surprised how relaxed I was during this first flight, a testament of how nice the Europa flies.
I again want to thank all the people in this forum that put up with my questions during the 4 years it took to build N11EU and special thanks to Marty Mason and Bud Yerly, to Jim Jim Butcher and Erich Tronbley for allowing me to receive a great familiarization session with them that helped make this flight possible, and to the Europa Club for the help they provided finding some of the parts that were missing that I couldn't get through Europa and keeping alive the dream of flying this airplane one day.
You can see the video of the first flight here:
https://youtu.be/oThUb5GEcPs
and the Europa club posted a beautiful picture commemorating the event, and a link to the same video, here:
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/europa-first-flight-u-s-a-style
Best Regards,
Chris Martin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:13 pm Post subject: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Congrats Chris! Looks great, and well done! Mono too.... sweet 
Cheers,
Pete
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(and also a pile of parts still screaming to get into formation lol)
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Gents,
Kit A291, now an airplane registered as N11EU, took to the skies early today at 7FL6.
I am very happy with the way the airplane flew. Nice and straight. I was surprised how relaxed I was during this first flight, a testament of how nice the Europa flies.
I again want to thank all the people in this forum that put up with my questions during the 4 years it took to build N11EU and special thanks to Marty Mason and Bud Yerly. I also want to thank the Europa club for the help they provided finding some of the parts that were missing and I couldn't get through Europa and keeping alive the dream of flying this airplane one day.
You can see the video of the first flight here:
https://youtu.be/oThUb5GEcPs
and the Europa club posted a beautiful picture commemorating the event, and a link to the same video, here:
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/europa-first-flight-u-s-a-style
Best Regards,
Chris Martin
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... still looks great!    congrats!
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Just to clarify, the airplane is not painted. It is currently finished with a really interesting epoxy primer which I am still evaluating before I pass judgement. the cowling is not painted.
Hence, it looks funny right now  But it flies great!!!
Chris
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Congratulations Chris! Great first flight! Great looking Europa!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
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| Quote: | On Mar 31, 2021, at 2:51 PM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Gents,
Kit A291, now an airplane registered as N11EU, took to the skies early today at 7FL6.
I am very happy with the way the airplane flew. Nice and straight. I was surprised how relaxed I was during this first flight, a testament of how nice the Europa flies.
I again want to thank all the people in this forum that put up with my questions during the 4 years it took to build N11EU and special thanks to Marty Mason and Bud Yerly. I also want to thank the Europa club for the help they provided finding some of the parts that were missing and I couldn't get through Europa and keeping alive the dream of flying this airplane one day.
You can see the video of the first flight here:
https://youtu.be/oThUb5GEcPs
and the Europa club posted a beautiful picture commemorating the event, and a link to the same video, here:
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/europa-first-flight-u-s-a-style
Best Regards,
Chris Martin
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Congratulations Chris, a real milestone and very rewarding. Enjoy the test flying and touring around the States with such a wonderful aircraft.Tim
Sent from my iPadTim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
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Congratulations Chris! Great first flight! Great looking Europa!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com
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Gents,
Kit A291, now an airplane registered as N11EU, took to the skies early today at 7FL6.
I am very happy with the way the airplane flew. Nice and straight. I was surprised how relaxed I was during this first flight, a testament of how nice the Europa flies.
I again want to thank all the people in this forum that put up with my questions during the 4 years it took to build N11EU and special thanks to Marty Mason and Bud Yerly. I also want to thank the Europa club for the help they provided finding some of the parts that were missing and I couldn't get through Europa and keeping alive the dream of flying this airplane one day.
You can see the video of the first flight here:
https://youtu.be/oThUb5GEcPs
and the Europa club posted a beautiful picture commemorating the event, and a link to the same video, here:
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/europa-first-flight-u-s-a-style
Best Regards,
Chris Martin
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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Congratulations! Best feeling in the worldWill
N460 HJ based at 04FA
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 20:19 timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)> wrote:
| Quote: | Congratulations Chris, a real milestone and very rewarding. Enjoy the test flying and touring around the States with such a wonderful aircraft.Tim
Sent from my iPadTim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,Â
Fendalton,Â
Christchurch, 8052
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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)Â
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Congratulations Chris! Great first flight! Great looking Europa!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX Â 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)
| Quote: | On Mar 31, 2021, at 2:51 PM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com (chmgarb(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Gents,
Kit A291, now an airplane registered as N11EU, took to the skies early today at 7FL6.
I am very happy with the way the airplane flew. Nice and straight. I was surprised how relaxed I was during this first flight, a testament of how nice the Europa flies.
I again want to thank all the people in this forum that put up with my questions during the 4 years it took to build N11EU and special thanks to Marty Mason and Bud Yerly. I also want to thank the Europa club for the help they provided finding some of the parts that were missing and I couldn't get through Europa and keeping alive the dream of flying this airplane one day.
You can see the video of the first flight here:
https://youtu.be/oThUb5GEcPs
and the Europa club posted a beautiful picture commemorating the event, and a link to the same video, here:
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/europa-first-flight-u-s-a-style
Best Regards,
Chris Martin
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Fred Klein
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Congratulations Chris…sweet first flight video…and a wonderful, smooth landing…wishing you many more,
Fred
A194
| Quote: | On Mar 31, 2021, at 12:51 PM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Gents,
Kit A291, now an airplane registered as N11EU, took to the skies early today at 7FL6.
I am very happy with the way the airplane flew. Nice and straight. I was surprised how relaxed I was during this first flight, a testament of how nice the Europa flies.
I again want to thank all the people in this forum that put up with my questions during the 4 years it took to build N11EU and special thanks to Marty Mason and Bud Yerly. I also want to thank the Europa club for the help they provided finding some of the parts that were missing and I couldn't get through Europa and keeping alive the dream of flying this airplane one day.
You can see the video of the first flight here:
https://youtu.be/oThUb5GEcPs
and the Europa club posted a beautiful picture commemorating the event, and a link to the same video, here:
https://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/europa-first-flight-u-s-a-style
Best Regards,
Chris Martin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Congratulations
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:17 pm Post subject: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Congrats Chris - well done!
Paul
G-PLPM
Mono XS 912S (50 hrs)
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Gents,
Kit A291, now an airplane registered as N11EU, took to the skies early today at 7FL6.
I am very happy with the way the airplane flew. Nice and straight. I was surprised how relaxed I was during this first flight, a testament of how nice the Europa flies.
I again want to thank all the people in this forum that put up with my questions during the 4 years it took to build N11EU and special thanks to Marty Mason and Bud Yerly. I also want to thank the Europa club for the help they provided finding some of the parts that were missing and I couldn't get through Europa and keeping alive the dream of flying this airplane one day.
You can see the video of the first flight here:
https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FoThUb5GEcPs&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce5befcf95aa94c5087ad08d8f47ec5d2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637528172603222233%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dCOdUxhEf0U4gSo%2BC96aU85uwlu0U9Au1Y7siw3ltw0%3D&reserved=0
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Chris Martin
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| Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:39 am Post subject: Re: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Thanks to all for the kind messages. I am thrilled to have it up in the air and planning to enjoy many good trips with it. Checked the airplane over this morning and besides a couple minor things all is good for second flight. Unfortunately, the wind will be blowing 20-30 knots for the next couple of days and I don't think I should push my luck
Talking about trips: William, I wonder if it would be OK to pay you a visit (once I finish my test flight phase) at Richards? I am planning to fly down to Miami a few times this year and would love to stop by Richards. I used to keep my airplanes at X51 when I lived in Miami so miss flying in that area.
Best Regards,
Chris
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n7188u
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Update video with onboard views:
https://youtu.be/cmMA6mfZmi0
It was a beautiful morning.
For those with good eyes, you will notice my static port issues. The altimeter went slightly negative on the TO roll and very annoying oscillations on the ASI and altimeter.
Chris
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mjktuck(at)cs.com
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:33 pm Post subject: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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I had similar issues with fluctuating airspeed and altimeter. I installed the Europa wing mounted pitot/static and it has been fine ever since. I think the original fuselage mounted static ports were the issue.
Martin Tuck
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| Quote: | On Apr 2, 2021, at 3:26 PM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Update video with onboard views:
https://youtu.be/cmMA6mfZmi0
It was a beautiful morning.
For those with good eyes, you will notice my static port issues. The altimeter went slightly negative on the TO roll and very annoying oscillations on the ASI and altimeter.
Chris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501210#501210
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n7188u
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Martin,
I have the wing mounted pitot/static.
Chris
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budyerly@msn.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:15 pm Post subject: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Chris,
You have gotten many good pieces of advice on your oscillating A/S and Altimeter.
There are three things that Jeff MacDonald of Mac Avionics told me long ago and has born out in my research on line as well as my own hard learned lessons.
General:
The Europa XS underwing pitot and static tube is excellent and is within a couple knots and 50 feet when installed as directed.
Cockpit static as a source is also quite close to the wing mounted static.
Installation errors are normally the instrument calibration itself. It has been my observation that the airspeed indicators I've installed all read within their tolerance during in flight and ground certification checks using the XS underwing pitot/static. Instruments errors must be tested for. I don't use manometers in my garage and the standard atmospheric tables, I hire an avionics guy to check my instruments if I don’t see the 1000 foot check.
Specific to the Europa:
The wing to fuselage connection is a pair of Colder Products Company (CPC) PMC 2202 and 1702 quick disconnects. These 1/8 barbed and 1/8 inch flow connectors are excellent but the O ring on the PMC2202 can be cut very easily. Also, the O ring will deteriorate with age. Look over the O ring carefully, if it is rough feeling or you can see a crack in the surface, change the O ring. Part number from CPC is 730800. Get 10 if you used a number of them in the panel also as I have. They last about 5 years. It is common after a build to see a leak in these due to O ring age when left out of the package.
A new aircraft with no wing to fuselage gap seals will have prop blast and wind induced oscillations at the root. On a two blade you can almost count the pulses. Any leak in your fitting at the root will cause errors in the instruments using either pitot or static.
I am not afraid of using cockpit static during tests. This limits the static problems to the cockpit and panel. It makes sorting out issues in flight easier in my opinion.
Specific to instrumentation:
Altimeters that fluctuate have an aneroid that is failing normally. Jeff caught it on my pitot static certification check. My Kollsman altimeter would catch and hang up is what I thought and Jeff found that the aneroid was the most likely cause. It was, and the rebuild of this used certified altimeter was ugly. A bad altimeter or airspeed indicator internal leak will cause errors.
EFIS and Autopilots can cause fluctuations that are cyclical. I found this out with a TruTrack some years ago. Typically, it is the diaphragm on the board mounted pressure indicator. It vibrates as it begins to fail causing fluctuation. Then it dies. I have never had an EFIS fail, but Jeff MacDonald has had it happen in Garmins and Dynons.
Servo altimeters are not used in light aircraft but they are a very common cause in fluctuations.
Airspeed indicators are a combo of pitot and static of course. I had a winter A/S indicator fail internally. Bouncy Altimeter and fairly steady airspeed was noted. Winter fixed it for free plus shipping. But then again, I really like my wind around airspeed indicator and the repair was great until the needle fell off and I had to send it back again. I have paid more in shipping than for my airspeed indicator. But I like what I like.
Testing or How to tell quickly (well sort of quickly):
We talked about the 1000 foot check on the ground by pulling by mouth one inch of mercury then capping off the tube. Altimeter climbs and holds 1000 feet, and the airspeed reads 135 Knots.
Vertical speed indicators climb during this and a good VSI normally goes back to zero with only about 50 foot loss and then stabilizes out at a very slow bleed. Cheap VSIs will bleed nearly 300 feet per minute. Leaky A/S indicators begin to fall off speed and so one may have to test each instrument separately.
I will normally begin inspection by pulling off the pitot/static tube from the wing first and inspect.
Is the W33 plastic tip intact and secure.
Are the two 1/8 OD nipples inserted into the tube going into the wing secure.
If so, remove the pitot/static tubes from the wing pull the static and pitot lines off (mark them) and using the same 1/8 ID polyurethane tubing that comes in the kit, attach about 10 feet of the 1/8 inch hose used in the kit to the static line with a barb to barb fitting and go to the cockpit and pull a small vacuum to raise the altimeter to 1000 feet. If it leaks. Then pull the wing first and check the wing connection or any other connection in the wing to the pitot/static tube. Yes, you will have to pull both the wings on a mono. Always fun.
If the coupling or something in the wing connection leaks, fix it.
If the wing to pitot/Static is good, it is in the fuselage/panel. Hopefully, your panel rear access is convenient.
If the panel is suspect:
When using 1/4 inch Nylaflow and compression fittings rather than the 1/8 polyurethane hose and barbs, you have to check the compression fittings. These fittings and the 1/8 NPT screw in fittings are prone to leaks if not installed properly. NPT threads must have the proper tape/sealant prescribed by the manufacturer. The compression fittings must be snug but not over torqued to failure. Do not deviate from the manufacturer's fittings and tightening techniques/procedure.
I must confess on my Winter A/S indicator which has 4mm barbs, I heated the tube to stretch it over the barb and some cheap plastic Tees when upgrading my panel to the Winter. Three years later, I found a static and pitot leak at the A/S indicator as the heated polyurethane took a set and without a clamp simply sagged and started leaking. Use the proper tube for the barb or pay the price. Good solid brass tees are better for longevity than plastic barbed tees in a panel.
No more stories of my screw ups.
Pull a vacuum again on the static connection in the panel/fuselage. Then a bit of pressure on the pitot. If all seems stable. You must isolate instruments.
I start by pulling the static line loose in the panel. If you have roaring inlet air coming into your panel this will disturb the static. You will need to plumb the static to the cockpit (near your feet normally is fine or face of the panel). I personally disconnect any instrument that uses pitot and static. So, the altimeter and altitude encoder (if you have a separate one) are one static source. The airspeed is static open alone as are the EFIS and Autopilot.
Go Fly. Observe and land.
If the altimeter, transponder altitude (if you have a window for that), and VSI seem to steady out. Look to the A/S indicator and EFIS and see how they perform. He which is in error is the bad component. Autopilots are sneaky as they show and tell nothing usually.
I don't worry about massive errors in using cockpit static nor do I worry about compromising my flight safety in a light airplane at low altitude. There are no pressurization worries only fittings and leaky fittings/instruments.
With complete pitot/static failure, we are now in the age of redundant redundancy.
Everyone seems to have an aviation AP on their phone with maps, ground speed distance to here and there and they are neat. We also have in panel GPS information. So, loosing the pitot/static is a no brainer any longer, but, you must note that GPS gives ground speed only.
For me (and you will develop your own feel) I use:
Look at the wind sock, listen to ATIS or watch the ripples on the lakes and leaves in the trees and estimate the wind. Calculate your final ground speed.
Throw out the gear/flaps at 80 ground speed and fly the turn at 75 or so, then settle on your calculated final ground speed.
(Flaps and gear have been ops checked well over 90 KIAS by a number of prospective buyers.)
Proper contact flying tells us to memorize pitch and power settings. I use 4000 RPM/22 inches power, the horizon is 3-4 fingers from the panel top, and that is about 80 knots on downwind. Trim the plane for that.
Drop the flaps and 5 clicks of down trim and fly around the corner at 75 in a smooth turn. If the stick is heavy you are too slow, if you must push you are too fast. Fly with your fingers and Europa acts like Goldilocks "just right on the stick pressure ".
Roll out slowing to computed speed plus a little and add back 5 clicks of up trim and look at the aimpoint and use the VASI/PAPI lights and/or note your aim point comfortably above the nose a finger or two and I'm on speed (ish). The rest is sight picture.
Trigears are easy to get the approach on speed, Monos are a bit trickier but similar techniques can be observed. Long runways and slow flight practice down the runway will put me down safely without incident. Practice, practice, practice.
Good night.
Bud Yerly
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n7188u
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:53 am Post subject: Re: N11EU (kit A291) Flies |
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Thank you Bud. And apologies for not replying sooner since I initially missed your reply.
I will digest all this info. I can tell you that I did the 1000'/135kts test since it was easy to do by removing the pitot/static mast at the wing. It showed no leaks. I assume this will discard any leaks at the instrument or panel level since it is all connected.
I completed the IAS check and it is within a couple of knots. Very accurate.
I will proceed to trouble shoot the components as you indicate. The Winter is new (but has been sitting for a long time). The altimeter is a quality TSO unit that looks like new but I bought used so a little suspicion there. I will isolate and test.
Regarding flying N11EU, I love it, but the landing in anything other than calm or very light winds has been a bit of a challenge (hard rwy). I also find that my airplane floats and floats and floats. I got my speed down to 55 over the numbers before the flare and that helps a little. I am touching down at around 45-40 (checked by on-board video, ASI vs GPS). Anything higher than that and it's main first (bad). If there is a little bit of gusty wind that makes for an interesting flare and being that slow worries me a little.
But I am getting better. 7 hours so far. Sweet flying airplane.
Best Regards,
Chris
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