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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:38 am    Post subject: RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/21/21 Reply with quote
One thing I have noticed for a long time is that some pilots  sit on their wing tanks on the ground while talking with other pilots. i.e AirVenture. It seems to me that this torgues the tank downward  and may contribute to leaks. 

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     1. 07:04 PM - Re: [External] RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/20/21  (Wyatt Prunty)



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Time: 07:04:56 PM PST US
From: Wyatt Prunty <wprunty(at)sewanee.edu (wprunty(at)sewanee.edu)>
Subject: Re: [External] RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/20/21

Just for the record, my factory tanks in factory wings set off leaking only
a few years after the completed build, 2007,  I sealed and then had
resealed following all the wisdoms recommended then.  And new paint.  The
paint bubbled, broke open, ect.  The leaks had continued.  Knowing little,
I suspect bad use of bucking bars during the factory build, something to do
with bad riveting sent in the original quick build of the tanks/wings.

Now, my RV-10's tanks have been sent to someone who works with Mooney tanks
and also RV-10s, I am starting over.  new paint, new hope.

In reply to ideas above about alcohol in fuel, my IO-540 and all of
the fuel system has never had anything but AVGAS.  Forget the alcohol
problem.  What about where the landing gear is placed relative to weight
distribution upon landings??  Sudden stress among the rivets, causing later
bibbits?  My much lighter RV-6A with a Lycoming 360 never had tank leak
problems, and had well over 1,000 hours when I sold it.  Or what about the
quality of the factory wings and tanks supplied that were part of those kit
build accelerators?

Just thinking in response.  The RV-10 is a great one for many many reasons.

W.

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> two Web Links listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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> HTML Version:
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>      1. 08:45 AM - Re: Using E-10 in IO-540  (Carlos Trigo)
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> Time: 08:45:17 AM PST US
> From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)>
> Subject: Re: Using E-10 in IO-540
>
> Kelly
> (I couldn=99t resist)
>
> The problem with alcohol is if it gets its way to the pilot brain
>
> Carlos
>
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
> > No dia 20/09/2021, =C3-s 03:18, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> escre
> veu:
> >
> > =EF=BB
> > The problem with alcohol is that it absorbs moisture really well. The
> pure
> st you can buy at the drug store is 91%, because it isn't economical to
> get t
> he rest of the moisture out. After it sits in your tank, even in Arizona,
> fo
> r a few days it is likely to be down to 70% or less. At those ratios it
> can s
> tart corroding your aluminum. I don't know that proseal is all that
> alcohol r
> esistant. Mooney puts a sealer over the proseal to protect it but you RV
> tan
> ks are just straight proseal. Older versions of proseal would soften up a
> lo
> t when exposed to mogas. I think the current stuff is okay with mogas, but
> s
> till wouldn't use 91 or 93 pump gas unless it would be consumed in a
> single f
> light, within a few days, whether it had alcohol or not.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 10:19 AM Doc <docclv(at)windstream.net (docclv(at)windstream.net)> wrote:
> >>
> >> Other than deteriorating the mechanical fuel pump parts and perhaps the
>
> >> fuel sensor, (I assume the tank factory sealer is alcohol proof) is
> >> there any reason why E-10 could not be burned in the parallel 540 with
>
> >> 8.5 : 1 as all the plumbing is aluminum tubing?  Does any one know when
>
> >> mechanical fuel pumps were made alcohol proof?  Doc
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:49 am    Post subject: RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/21/21 Reply with quote
I would never sit on the fuel tank. It’s .032 instead of the .024 further out. But it was never engineered for a compression load. The most weight I set on the wing are some light tools and parts padded by 2 layers of towels.

Robert Jones

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On Sep 22, 2021, at 7:43 AM, dlm <dlm34077(at)gmail.com> wrote:

One thing I have noticed for a long time is that some pilots sit on their wing tanks on the ground while talking with other pilots. i.e AirVenture. It seems to me that this torgues the tank downward and may contribute to leaks.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 11:50 PM RV10-List Digest Server <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)> wrote:

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=========================
Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
=========================

Today's complete RV10-List Digest can also be found in either of the
two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
of the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
such as Notepad or with a web browser.

HTML Version:

http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter=2021-09-21&Archive=RV10

Text Version:

http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter=2021-09-21&Archive=RV10


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=======================


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1. 07:04 PM - Re: [External] RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/20/21 (Wyatt Prunty)



________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________


Time: 07:04:56 PM PST US
From: Wyatt Prunty <wprunty(at)sewanee.edu (wprunty(at)sewanee.edu)>
Subject: Re: [External] RV10-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/20/21

Just for the record, my factory tanks in factory wings set off leaking only
a few years after the completed build, 2007, I sealed and then had
resealed following all the wisdoms recommended then. And new paint.  The
paint bubbled, broke open, ect. The leaks had continued. Knowing little,
I suspect bad use of bucking bars during the factory build, something to do
with bad riveting sent in the original quick build of the tanks/wings.

Now, my RV-10's tanks have been sent to someone who works with Mooney tanks
and also RV-10s, I am starting over. new paint, new hope.

In reply to ideas above about alcohol in fuel, my IO-540 and all of
the fuel system has never had anything but AVGAS. Forget the alcohol
problem. What about where the landing gear is placed relative to weight
distribution upon landings?? Sudden stress among the rivets, causing later
bibbits? My much lighter RV-6A with a Lycoming 360 never had tank leak
problems, and had well over 1,000 hours when I sold it. Or what about the
quality of the factory wings and tanks supplied that were part of those kit
build accelerators?

Just thinking in response. The RV-10 is a great one for many many reasons.

W.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:55 AM RV10-List Digest Server <
rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)> wrote:

> *
>
> ========================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ========================
>
> Today's complete RV10-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 21-09-20&Archive=RV10
>
> Text Version:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 21-09-20&Archive=RV10
>
>
> ======================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> ======================
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>   RV10-List Digest Archive
>   ---
>   Total Messages Posted Mon 09/20/21: 1
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 08:45 AM - Re: Using E-10 in IO-540 (Carlos Trigo)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:45:17 AM PST US
> From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)>
> Subject: Re: Using E-10 in IO-540
>
> Kelly
> (I couldn=99t resist)
>
> The problem with alcohol is if it gets its way to the pilot brain
>
> Carlos
>
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
> > No dia 20/09/2021, =C3-s 03:18, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> escre
> veu:
> >
> > =EF=BB
> > The problem with alcohol is that it absorbs moisture really well. The
> pure
> st you can buy at the drug store is 91%, because it isn't economical to
> get t
> he rest of the moisture out. After it sits in your tank, even in Arizona,
> fo
> r a few days it is likely to be down to 70% or less. At those ratios it
> can s
> tart corroding your aluminum. I don't know that proseal is all that
> alcohol r
> esistant. Mooney puts a sealer over the proseal to protect it but you RV
> tan
> ks are just straight proseal. Older versions of proseal would soften up a
> lo
> t when exposed to mogas. I think the current stuff is okay with mogas, but
> s
> till wouldn't use 91 or 93 pump gas unless it would be consumed in a
> single f
> light, within a few days, whether it had alcohol or not.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 10:19 AM Doc <docclv(at)windstream.net (docclv(at)windstream.net)> wrote:
> >>
> >> Other than deteriorating the mechanical fuel pump parts and perhaps the
>
> >> fuel sensor, (I assume the tank factory sealer is alcohol proof) is
> >> there any reason why E-10 could not be burned in the parallel 540 with
>
> >> 8.5 : 1 as all the plumbing is aluminum tubing? Does any one know when
>
> >> mechanical fuel pumps were made alcohol proof? Doc
> >> =========
> >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi
> gator?RV10-List <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>
> >> =========
> >> FORUMS -
> >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> >> =========
> >> WIKI -
> >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
> >> =========
> >> b Site -
> >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributio
> n
> >> =========
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>



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