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jaydub
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 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:41 am Post subject: wheel pant options for Firestar |
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As I'm working on my build I keep thinking ahead of what I would like to finish before flying.
The airstrip I plan to use is newly graded pasture (imagine WY having pasture land haha). The dirt has fine gravel in it as there is a vein of gravel in that area (a gravel pit is across the dirt road). Being a pusher, and having flown a pusher a while, I know anything that can go through the prop WILL go through the prop. I'm concerned about kicking up stones on take off and landings. We are in a semi arid climate so grass doesn't just grow much unless it's watered a lot.
Because of the stones, I need to either fabricate a wheel well of some sort (I have a few ideas) or just throw wheel pants on it. Any ideas of what is available that work well on a Firestar? My tires are the Carlisle Turf Glide 8-6 on 6x6 Blackmax 1 piece wheels. I saw in the plans there is a special nut/spacer to use with wheel pants. Where is that part available? I don't know much about putting wheel pants on a Kolb so I'm asking for advice.
Thanks,
Jay
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stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
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| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:54 am Post subject: wheel pant options for Firestar |
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The smartass in me has to say this:
How about just using titanium skis? Light weight, usable year round and
you could rig a retractable "cat's claws" type of braking system. 
Seriously though, what about some kind of "mud flap"? A lot of
taildraggers just had a half wheel pant to keep mud off the bottom of
the wings. If you had some kind of mud flap that could trail in the
wind, it would deflect rocks at slow speed but would lift up into a more
streamlined position during flight. Of course it might act as a speed
brake at the bottom of the airframe, just where you don't want it.
You could experiment with just clamping it to the gear leg until you
figured out a final design.
Just spit ballin....
Stuart
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As I'm working on my build I keep thinking ahead of what I would like to finish before flying.
The airstrip I plan to use is newly graded pasture (imagine WY having pasture land haha). The dirt has fine gravel in it as there is a vein of gravel in that area (a gravel pit is across the dirt road). Being a pusher, and having flown a pusher a while, I know anything that can go through the prop WILL go through the prop. I'm concerned about kicking up stones on take off and landings. We are in a semi arid climate so grass doesn't just grow much unless it's watered a lot.
Because of the stones, I need to either fabricate a wheel well of some sort (I have a few ideas) or just throw wheel pants on it. Any ideas of what is available that work well on a Firestar? My tires are the Carlisle Turf Glide 8-6 on 6x6 Blackmax 1 piece wheels. I saw in the plans there is a special nut/spacer to use with wheel pants. Where is that part available? I don't know much about putting wheel pants on a Kolb so I'm asking for advice.
Thanks,
Jay
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: wheel pant options for Firestar |
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Jaydub said: (Quote) I saw in the plans there is a special nut/spacer to use with wheel pants. Where is that part available? I don't know much about putting wheel pants on a Kolb so I'm asking for advice. (End quote)
I am 99% sure this is what you are referring to. They replace the standard axle nuts and extend out to the outside inner part of the wheelpant, and are threaded for a 1/4" screw/bolt.
Verify that your axle thread on your KXP is the same as the MKIII (which is what these are off of - I made them for my MKIII about 26 years ago) and they will likely fit, depending on the width of your wheel pants. You can always add a spacer if necessary.
Yours free plus a few bucks for shipping. PM me your address once you are sure they will work.
Check out the link here for how I mounted the wheel pants on my MKIII:
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg6.htm
I may still have those mounting brackets somewhere, if I can find them and you want them, you can have them too.
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: wheel pant options for Firestar |
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Found the brackets if you want them too.
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jaydub
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:15 pm Post subject: wheel pant options for Firestar |
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Hi Richard,
I'll have to check things tomorrow when I go to work on the plane. We have -30 windchill right now so I decided to stay home tonight. I have tomorrow and Friday off so I'll check things out. I like your ideas and thank you for the photos.
With one of the other replies, I might look at doing some sort of mud flap deal like they use in Alaska. I didn't quite understand the aluminum one someone mentioned as I never watched the Alaska flying series mentioned. I'd have to see a photo of something like that. A buddy of mine that we went through A&P classes together was a mechanic in Homer, AK before he went to mechanic for MAF in Africa. He made a mudflap deal for their Alaskan 206 Cessnas but I haven't seen that in over 25 years when I visited him in Homer. We didn't use anything flying in the high altitude strips on the Andes but the horizontal stabs took quite a beating from gravel on our Cessna turbo 206s. Every few years we had to replace the leading edges. Of course they aren't pushers so the prop wasn't near the issue I imagine in the kolb. My CGS hawk mostly flew off of grass, not gravel, but I experienced 2 prop breakages: one from a metal wire scat hose breaking free and going through the prop and another was a green hard candy during a candy drop for kids. That prop hangs on my living room wall.
Jay
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:48 PM
From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: wheel pant options for Firestar
Jaydub said: (Quote) I saw in the plans there is a special nut/spacer to use with wheel pants. Where is that part available? I don't know much about putting wheel pants on a Kolb so I'm asking for advice. (End quote)
I am 99% sure this is what you are referring to. They replace the standard axle nuts and extend out to the outside inner part of the wheelpant, and are threaded for a 1/4" screw/bolt.
Verify that your axle thread on your KXP is the same as the MKIII (which is what these are off of - I made them for my MKIII about 26 years ago) and they will likely fit, depending on the width of your wheel pants. You can always add a spacer if necessary.
Yours free plus a few bucks for shipping. PM me your address once you are sure they will work.
Check out the link here for how I mounted the wheel pants on my MKIII:
http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg6.htm
I may still have those mounting brackets somewhere, if I can find them and you want them, you can have them too.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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