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spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
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Location: Kent

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:49 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

I thought it might be of interest if we put together a post of who has nev's cowls, what engine mount was used and what engine. The reason I thought this might be a good idea is that when I was fitting mine there was a lot of ''fettling'' needed and when I did spoke with nev he was always waiting on someone to send him photos. Also I think I am the only person installing a rotax 914. So I'll start



Engine : Rotax 914 turbo



Engine mount: Europa



Frank Xuereb classic kit 165

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:07 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

I fitted Nevs Cowlings, with his help the week before he passed away.

I have the original engine mount with a 912ULS.

No problems fitting. 

Nev provided templates for baffling but individual set ups need some modification.

Regards

Dave Park G-LDVO

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 I thought it might be of interest if we put together a post of who has nev's cowls, what engine mount was used and what engine. The reason I thought this might be a good idea is that when I was fitting mine there was a lot of 'fettling' needed and when I did spoke with nev he was always waiting on someone to send him photos. Also I think I am the only person installing a rotax 914. So I'll start

 

 Engine : Rotax 914 turbo

 

 Engine mount: Europa

 

 Frank Xuereb classic kit 165

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:48 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

I have Nev's cowlings with his engine mount, on a 912s on a EUROPA Motorglider.

Still struggling to make the cooler ducts fit the cowl. Trial and error but I might have cut too much off.

I do have cardboard templates available once I get it right.

Sent from my iPad

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		   On 23 Aug 2017, at 18:06, david park <dpark748(at)me.com> wrote:

 I fitted Nevs Cowlings, with his help the week before he passed away.

 I have the original engine mount with a 912ULS.

 No problems fitting. 

 Nev provided templates for baffling but individual set ups need some modification.

 Regards

 Dave Park G-LDVO

> On 23 Aug 2017, at 13:49, spcialeffects <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> wrote:

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> I thought it might be of interest if we put together a post of who has nev's cowls, what engine mount was used and what engine. The reason I thought this might be a good idea is that when I was fitting mine there was a lot of 'fettling' needed and when I did spoke with nev he was always waiting on someone to send him photos. Also I think I am the only person installing a rotax 914. So I'll start

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> Engine : Rotax 914 turbo

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> Engine mount: Europa

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> Frank Xuereb classic kit 165

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> Read this topic online here:

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:57 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi DavidI have Nev's cowls and mount

Fitted to G-MLXP Rotax 912S

All works great for me no overheating probs whatsoever

Cooling ducts need to be fitted and altered for each installation

I have Graham's fire wall not the stainless steel one. So may be different to others

Cheers

Mike

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 I fitted Nevs Cowlings, with his help the week before he passed away.

 I have the original engine mount with a 912ULS.

 No problems fitting.

 Nev provided templates for baffling but individual set ups need some modification.

 Regards

 Dave Park G-LDVO

 

 

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 > Engine mount: Europa

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 > Frank Xuereb classic kit 165

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JonathanMilbank

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi Frank,



I completed fitting Nev's cowlings in February and they have solved the overheating problems I was experiencing with a 912ULS in a Classic cowl. I also fitted his engine bearer frame and the weight and balance done after completing everything gave a result that was almost 3 lbs lighter. The old Classic double silencer system was heavy!



At Nev's suggestion I wrote out some guidance for others who also bought his marvellous creation and sent them to a couple of other customers. I've no idea whether anyone made much use of them, but pm me if you want a copy.



Donald Cameron kindly let me see photos of his Nev Eyre cowls fully installed, which I found really useful.



Engine : Rotax 912ULS 



Engine mount: Nev Eyre



Classic kit: 054

spcialeffects

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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi Jonathan. I think where I had difficulty was the fact that I didn't use his frame and the fact that he supplied me with a heat exchanger and not an oil cooler. His instructions for routing the plumbing didnt work out around the Europa engine frame and getting the water hoses to and from the heat exchanger required holes to be cut in the ducting support brackets which mount to the firewall. Also my radiator is quite large and the inlet and outlets come through the sides of the ducting under the engine and not out the top as per Europa design. Anyway it's all fitted now and hope to have no issues with overheating like you. On a final note Donald was also kind enough to talk with me over the phone about his experiences which helped.



Frank

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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:58 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

On 23 Aug 2017, at 13:49, spcialeffects <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> wrote:



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		   I thought it might be of interest if we put together a post of who has nev's cowls, what engine mount was used and what engine.


	




For some reason this original post did not reach me - Iâ€™ve only seen replies to it. Anyway, here is my contribution.



There are pictures of Neville with one of his cowls fitted to an anonymous tri-gear with his own engine mount on the Europa Club website at:



http://www.theeuropaclub.org/building/cowl-and-cooling/neville-eyerâ€™s-revised-cowl



NB I note that the webmaster will need to amend the text of that page in the the light of Nevilleâ€™s untimely death, not to mention getting the spelling of his name right - but he has been rather busy getting new content management tools and hosting arrangements in place recently.



I have an XS kit and am installing a Rotax 912S with a Woodcomp high-twist variable-pitch prop. From my conversations with Neville, it sounds as though I am the only one fitting his cowl with a Woodcompp prop. I am using the standard Europa factory mount and firewall (although I am having trouble getting that to fit - it looks as though it would be much easier if I could get one of Graham Singletonâ€™s composite firewalls - anyone want to take over manufacture of them?).



I persuaded Neville to cut out & fold for me the horizontal baffles that separate the upper & lower parts of the cowl, and also to supply new side pieces for the duct underneath the engine that houses the radiators. (The standard factory items could have been extended to fit his cowl, but I felt it was nicer to have one-piece duct sides.) The aft part of the baffle I designed and made myself following instructions from Neville, as he only had templates for that to suit his own engine mount.



Here are some links to pictures of the various relevant items.



A test assembly of the cowl and propeller:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_assemble_e.php



Cowl fitted:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_screws_tempo.php



Horizontal baffle fitting:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/semicircle_cut.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_a.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_b.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_c.php

Aft baffle card template:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle_template_a.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle_template_b.php



Aft baffle:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle.php



Fitting radiator duct:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/duct_fitting_1.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/duct_fit_c.php

I had a phone call recently from Jag Chaggar. He says he has acquired the moulds for Nevilleâ€™s cowl and wondered if I had any idea how many layers of layup were needed on them. I think he has a 914 installation, on an airframe imported from USA, but Iâ€™m not sure if he is on this forum.



LAA mod 13452 refers to G-RICS which has an Airmaster prop and a 912S. I think it is using the standard Europa factory engine mount. It appears to be a conventional taildragger.



Hope some of the above is of use/interest.



in friendship



Rowland



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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:17 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi  Rowland 

 I am active with Jag regarding Nev's  cowl moulds and am going to help him with the layup of the cowls. In fact I asked the question of the number of layers  of bid.  I think it is probably 2 with reinforcements in certain critical areas. 

 Regards Phil George   

 X'S mono G-EORJ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> 

 Date: 26/08/2017 18:02 (GMT+00:00) 

 To: Europa e-mail list <europa-list(at)matronics.com> 

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 On 23 Aug 2017, at 13:49, spcialeffects <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> wrote:

 

 > I thought it might be of interest if we put together a post of who has nev's cowls, what engine mount was used and what engine.

 

 

 For some reason this original post did not reach me - I’ve only seen replies to it. Anyway, here is my contribution.

 

 There are pictures of Neville with one of his cowls fitted to an anonymous tri-gear with his own engine mount on the Europa Club website at:

 

 [url=http://www.theeuropaclub.org/building/cowl-and-cooling/neville-eyer’s-revised-cowl]http://www.theeuropaclub.org/building/cowl-and-cooling/neville-eyer’s-revised-cowl[/url]

 

 NB I note that the webmaster will need to amend the text of that page in the the light of Neville’s untimely death, not to mention getting the spelling of his name right - but he has been rather busy getting new content management tools and hosting arrangements  in place recently.

 

 I have an XS kit and am installing a Rotax 912S with a Woodcomp high-twist variable-pitch prop. From my conversations with Neville, it sounds as though I am the only one fitting his cowl with a Woodcompp prop. I am using the standard Europa factory mount and  firewall (although I am having trouble getting that to fit - it looks as though it would be much easier if I could get one of Graham Singleton’s composite firewalls - anyone want to take over manufacture of them?).

 

 I persuaded Neville to cut out & fold for me the horizontal baffles that separate the upper & lower parts of the cowl, and also to supply new side pieces for the duct underneath the engine that houses the radiators. (The standard factory items could have been  extended to fit his cowl, but I felt it was nicer to have one-piece duct sides.) The aft part of the baffle I designed and made myself following instructions from Neville, as he only had templates for that to suit his own engine mount.

 

 Here are some links to pictures of the various relevant items.

 

 A test assembly of the cowl and propeller:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_assemble_e.php

 

 Cowl fitted:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_screws_tempo.php

 

 Horizontal baffle fitting:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/semicircle_cut.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_a.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_b.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_c.php

 

 

 Aft baffle card template:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle_template_a.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle_template_b.php

 

 Aft baffle:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle.php

 

 Fitting radiator duct:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/duct_fitting_1.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/duct_fit_c.php

 

 

 I had a phone call recently from Jag Chaggar. He says he has acquired the moulds for Neville’s cowl and wondered if I had any idea how many layers of layup were needed on them. I think he has a 914 installation, on an airframe imported from USA, but I’m not  sure if he is on this forum.

 

 LAA mod 13452 refers to G-RICS which has an Airmaster prop and a 912S. I think it is using the standard Europa factory engine mount. It appears to be a conventional taildragger.

 

 Hope some of the above is of use/interest.

 

 in friendship

 

 Rowland

 

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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

On 2017-08-26, at 18:53, philip george <philipgeorge347(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

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		   I am active with Jag regarding Nev's  cowl moulds and am going to help him with the layup of the cowls. In fact I asked the question of the number of layers  of bid.  I think it is probably 2 with reinforcements in certain critical areas.


	




Phil - glad to hear you are working with Jag. I promised I would bring some of the offcut trimmed from the edge from my cowl to the LAA Rally and/or the Europa Club dinner so that Jag could see how thick it is. As you say, there will be extra plies in some more high-stressed areas but I canâ€™t speak to that. Would pictures of the inside of the cowl be useful? Enough of the layup structure might be visible from the inside (which has no paint or gel-coat). For instance, have a look at:



http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_assemble_a.php



where although the angle is not ideal, I can see several places where an extra layer or layers has been incorporated. If it helps, I can take better pictures next time I have the cowl off.



in friendship



Rowland



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spcialeffects

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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi Rowland,Frank here. I too have installed a woodcomp prop with extras twist at the roots. It's the new hub design.

churchy

Joined: 04 Nov 2011
Posts: 48

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:24 pm Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi Rowland



To make you feel less lonely, I have Nev's cowls, 912S and a Woodcomp 3000 with Scimitar blades. Unfortunately I'm a long way off fitting them all!



Richard CC



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		   On 26 Aug 2017, at 22:15, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 On 2017-08-26, at 18:53, philip george <philipgeorge347(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

> I am active with Jag regarding Nev's  cowl moulds and am going to help him with the layup of the cowls. In fact I asked the question of the number of layers  of bid.  I think it is probably 2 with reinforcements in certain critical areas.

 

 

 Phil - glad to hear you are working with Jag. I promised I would bring some of the offcut trimmed from the edge from my cowl to the LAA Rally and/or the Europa Club dinner so that Jag could see how thick it is. As you say, there will be extra plies in some more high-stressed areas but I canâ€™t speak to that. Would pictures of the inside of the cowl be useful? Enough of the layup structure might be visible from the inside (which has no paint or gel-coat). For instance, have a look at:

 

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_assemble_a.php

 

 where although the angle is not ideal, I can see several places where an extra layer or layers has been incorporated. If it helps, I can take better pictures next time I have the cowl off.

 

 in friendship

 

 Rowland

 

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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:05 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi RowlandI worked with Nev on the original submissions to the LAA, Nev told me that he had given them chapter and verse in the number of ply's and orientation of them.

My involvement was mainly on the engine mount but I did supply Nev with templates for the radiator baffles. I think you should contact Andy Draper at the Laa for details of the layups

Best Regards

Mike Davies (G-MLXP)

On 26 Aug 2017 6:02 p.m., "Rowland Carson" <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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 On 23 Aug 2017, at 13:49, spcialeffects <spcialeffects(at)aol.com (spcialeffects(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 

 > I thought it might be of interest if we put together a post of who has nev's cowls, what engine mount was used and what engine.

 

 

 For some reason this original post did not reach me - Iâ€™ve only seen replies to it. Anyway, here is my contribution.

 

 There are pictures of Neville with one of his cowls fitted to an anonymous tri-gear with his own engine mount on the Europa Club website at:

 

 http://www.theeuropaclub.org/building/cowl-and-cooling/neville-eyerâ€™s-revised-cowl

 

 NB I note that the webmaster will need to amend the text of that page in the the light of Nevilleâ€™s untimely death, not to mention getting the spelling of his name right - but he has been rather busy getting new content management tools and hosting arrangements in place recently.

 

 I have an XS kit and am installing a Rotax 912S with a Woodcomp high-twist variable-pitch prop. From my conversations with Neville, it sounds as though I am the only one fitting his cowl with a Woodcompp prop. I am using the standard Europa factory mount and firewall (although I am having trouble getting that to fit - it looks as though it would be much easier if I could get one of Graham Singletonâ€™s composite firewalls - anyone want to take over manufacture of them?).

 

 I persuaded Neville to cut out & fold for me the horizontal baffles that separate the upper & lower parts of the cowl, and also to supply new side pieces for the duct underneath the engine that houses the radiators. (The standard factory items could have been extended to fit his cowl, but I felt it was nicer to have one-piece duct sides.) The aft part of the baffle I designed and made myself following instructions from Neville, as he only had templates for that to suit his own engine mount.

 

 Here are some links to pictures of the various relevant items.

 

 A test assembly of the cowl and propeller:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_assemble_e.php

 

 Cowl fitted:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_screws_tempo.php

 

 Horizontal baffle fitting:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/semicircle_cut.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_a.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_b.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/baffle_fit_c.php

 

 

 Aft baffle card template:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle_template_a.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle_template_b.php

 

 Aft baffle:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/aft_baffle.php

 

 Fitting radiator duct:

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/duct_fitting_1.php

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/duct_fit_c.php

 

 

 I had a phone call recently from Jag Chaggar. He says he has acquired the moulds for Nevilleâ€™s cowl and wondered if I had any idea how many layers of layup were needed on them. I think he has a 914 installation, on an airframe imported from USA, but Iâ€™m not sure if he is on this forum.

 

 LAA mod 13452 refers to G-RICS which has an Airmaster prop and a 912S. I think it is using the standard Europa factory engine mount. It appears to be a conventional taildragger.

 

 Hope some of the above is of use/interest.

 

 in friendship

 

 Rowland

 

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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:05 am Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi  Rowland

 I will probably be going to the rally Saturday so can see you for a chat.

 Those details you mentioned would be most useful . I will also study my xs cowling as there shouldn't be much difference.  The weight after all will be the critical consideration.  Thank you very much for your reply.

 Best wishes

 Phil George 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 -------- Original message --------

 From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> 

 Date: 26/08/2017 21:26 (GMT+00:00) 

 To: Europa e-mail list <europa-list(at)matronics.com> 

 Subject: Re: Who has Nev's cowlings 

 

 

  --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com>

 

 On 2017-08-26, at 18:53, philip george <philipgeorge347(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 > I am active with Jag regarding Nev's  cowl moulds and am going to help him with the layup of the cowls. In fact I asked the question of the number of layers  of bid.  I think it is probably 2 with reinforcements in certain critical areas.

 

 

 Phil - glad to hear you are working with Jag. I promised I would bring some of the offcut trimmed from the edge from my cowl to the LAA Rally and/or the Europa Club dinner so that Jag could see how thick it is. As you say, there will be extra plies in some  more high-stressed areas but I can’t speak to that. Would pictures of the inside of the cowl be useful? Enough of the layup structure might be visible from the inside (which has no paint or gel-coat). For instance, have a look at:

 

 http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/cowl_assemble_a.php

 

 where although the angle is not ideal, I can see several places where an extra layer or layers has been incorporated. If it helps, I can take better pictures next time I have the cowl off.

 

 in friendship

 

 Rowland

 

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JonathanMilbank

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Location: Aberdeen area

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hello All. Someone contacted me to request a copy of the guidance notes which I wrote for the fitting the cowls. He stated a reason for installing them is that they'll afford a 10 knot speed increase. I don't know where that idea came from, but I can assure everyone that I haven't seen a single knot of speed gain in the cruise.



Maybe there's some wishful thinking, which associates Nev's LoPresti style air intakes with cowls having proper LoPresti design fitted to other aircraft types and thus reducing cooling drag. I don't know!



My reason for fitting them as a direct replacement for my old Classic cowls was to improve cooling and overcome hot starting problems. This goal was achieved admirably and they look good too!

clivesutton

Joined: 23 Jan 2013
Posts: 187
Location: KENILWORTH

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi all,



Just wanted to say that i acquired Nevilles master set of moulds for his revised cowling (the ones shown on the EC website under 'Cowl and Cooling) - from Jagjit Chaggar a few weeks ago.



Please contact me by email [clive.maf(at)googlemail.com] if you are interested in buying a set.  Nigel Graham (as club MOD specialist and layup aficionado) and I intend to collaborate on requests for these cowlings.



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Clive Sutton

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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:19 pm Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

On 2018-10-14, at 13:54, clivesutton <clive.maf(at)googlemail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Just wanted to say that i acquired Nevilles master set of moulds for his revised cowling (the ones shown on the EC website under 'Cowl and Cooling) - from Jagjit Chaggar a few weeks ago.

 

 Please contact me by email [clive.maf(at)googlemail.com] if you are interested in buying a set.  Nigel Graham (as club MOD specialist and layup aficionado) and I intend to collaborate on requests for these cowlings.


	




Clive - and what about Nevilleâ€™s engine mount and the baffles for his cowl? Anyone taking on production of those?



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Rowland



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clivesutton

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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Who has Nev's cowlings

Hi Rowland, 



I canâ€™t comment on the mounting frame nor do I have details about the baffles - though I believe that you are perhaps one of the best informed people about them (you have a set? - from which cardboard templates are/can be made for at least one frame/engine/prop combination)?  



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Clive

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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:53 pm Post subject: Who has Nev's cowlings

On 2018-10-15, at 06:52, clivesutton <clive.maf(at)googlemail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I canÃ¢Â€Â™t comment on the mounting frame nor do I have details about the baffles - though I believe that you are perhaps one of the best informed people about them (you have a set? - from which cardboard templates are/can be made for at least one frame/engine/prop combination)?


	


Clive - youâ€™re correct, I have no need of them myself - I was just fishing!



I have paper templates for the side baffles (and the actual baffles of Nevilleâ€™s making), plus a card template for the aft baffle that I worked up to fit the factory engine mount and my own firewall layout.



Sounds as though no-one is going to take on the manufacture of Nevilleâ€™s mount.



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Rowland



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graeme bird

Joined: 15 Jul 2010
Posts: 434

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:35 pm Post subject: Classic cowl and 912 80HP - still OK?

Looks like I am about to start on completing another aged part built kit which has an 912 and original cowl, engine mount and exhaust system. Any comments on this set up appreciated. 

Will cooling be an issue? Can it be fixed with additional rads etc. My current 912S and XS FWFWD runs too cool for 95% of the year. When I was building my first classic I was recommended to go XS and brought a new cowl, and engine mount but then I hadn't purchased them yet. 



What about Nev's cowl and mount - would that have substantial advantages?

Looks like removing the lower cowl on the old classic means removing radiators or at least the attachment bolts.



The kit currently as a brand new radio K97A and transponder Garmin GX320; is there anywhere in the world where they would still be useful?

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BobD

Joined: 05 Jan 2016
Posts: 112
Location: Sheffield UK

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Classic cowl and 912 80HP - still OK?

 	  graeme bird wrote: 	
		  

The kit currently as a brand new radio K97A and transponder Garmin GX320; is there anywhere in the world where they would still be useful? 	




Graeme, I found ebay uk to be very useful in selling the old avionics from my aircraft. I originally priced them slightly above what I thought they were worth, and if they didn't sell after 10 days, reduced the prices a bit at a time, until they found their market value. It can take some time to sell the bits, but a good way to get a fair price if you're in no rush. There is no charge unless the items sell. If I remember correctly, radio went to USA, and Transponder to Australia !

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