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werner schneider

Joined: 24 May 2021
Posts: 59

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:07 am Post subject: Deutsch, the big brother of Dsub

I was never fond of the stamped pins of the Molex connectors, neither how bad they sometimes fit together 



Now due to a discussion on another Forum (glasair owners) I became aware of the Deutsch connectors.



Seems they are very wide used in the car industrie and you can get machined pins (similar to the d-sub pins).



They come in several sizes/ratings:



DT Series connectors accept size 16 (13 amp) pins and sockets and accommodate wire sizes 12-20 AWG

DTM Series connectors accept size 20 (7.5 amp) pins and sockets and accommodate wire sizes 16-22 AWG

DTP Series connectors accept size 12 (25 amp) pins and sockets and accommodate wire sizes 10-14 AWG

DTHD Series connectors accept size 4 (100 amp), size 8 (60 amp), or size 12 (25 amp) pins and sockets and accommodate wire sizes 6-14 AWG



There is a nice set available in the US on Amazon from JRready:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DB1YMX34?tag=coolairp-20



When you compare please be aware to check you have the solid pins not the stamped.



They offer as well add ons for e.g bulkhead connectors see below.



For Europe I did buy things seperate as the shop does not have the same set.



The pins delivered with it are down to AWG16 I did order additional pins for AWG 14 for my 7Star lights.



Hope someone finds this info of help!



Merry Xmas all



Werner

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Eric Page

Joined: 15 Feb 2017
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Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Deutsch, the big brother of Dsub

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The "Deutsch" connectors sold on eBay and Amazon are almost all Chinese knock-offs, not genuine parts.  There's no guarantee that they're made from the same plastics, elastomers and metals as genuine Deutsch parts, or that they conform to the identical dimensions or surface finishes, which are critical for the seals to work properly.



If you want to use Deutsch connectors but don't like their high prices, look for the Amphenol equivalents.  All Amphenol parts are entirely interchangeable with their Deutsch counterparts, they're made by a reputable manufacturer, distributed through traceable supply chains, and they cost significantly less than Deutsch.  Here are links to the Amphenol product webpages:



Amphenol ATM = Deutsch DTM (7.5A per contact)

Amphenol AT = Deutsch DT (13A per contact)

Amphenol ATP = Deutsch DTP (25A per contact)

Amphenol ATHD = Deutsch DTHD (25, 60 or 100A per contact)



Look for the PDF documents at the bottom of each Amphenol product page for part numbering charts.



Digi-Key, Mouser, Newark, Waytek Wire, WireCare, BuyDeutsch and many others carry these connectors.



I'll echo Werner's recommendation to use machined contacts, not stamped-and-formed, as it's much easier to get good results when crimping.  For good quality, inexpensive crimp tooling, look for the tools made by Iwiss (often sold under the iCrimp brand).  For ATM/DTM, get the IWD-20, for AT/DT, get the IWD-16 and for ATP/DTP, get the IWD-12.  All of these are usually available at good prices on Amazon and eBay.  If you already have a Size 20 crimper for standard-density machined D-Sub contacts, give it a try on ATM/DTM before you buy another tool; it may work fine with a small depth adjustment.



All you really need for contact removal tools are a small flat-blade screwdriver and a mini pick.  If you want a specific tool, Amazon has one for $6 that works for all connector sizes.



I have saved lists at Digi-Key containing all of the basic components for ATM, AT and ATP series connectors in all available pin counts.  See the links below:



ATM: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/S9PGBP85ZQ

AT: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/XMKHB6MTG5

ATP: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/6UR6QPAV5H



I included all of the pins and sockets that Digi-Key carries; a few additional part numbers are listed in the Amphenol chart but not in Digi-Key's catalog.



To build a connector pair you need the following parts:

- plug housing + socket contacts

- plug wedge lock

- receptacle housing + pin contacts

- receptacle wedge lock

- sealing plug for every unused position in each housing

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2878

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:05 am Post subject: Deutsch, the big brother of Dsub

I appreciate all the info and links you two have put in here. I've used 

them before and like them too.  The hard part is always digging up

all the info when I need it. so I'm saving your posts for future 

reference. I know when I first ordered them it took a while to figure 

out all the compatible parts i wanted.

Thanks again!

Tim

On 12/20/24 11:30 PM, Eric Page wrote:

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 Note: If the Matronics email system makes a mess of this message, please view it on the forum website.  I included many links that are formatted for display on the forum and they may not translate properly to email.

 

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 The "Deutsch" connectors sold on eBay and Amazon are almost all Chinese knock-offs, not genuine parts.  There's no guarantee that they're made from the same plastics, elastomers and metals as genuine Deutsch parts, or that they conform to the identical dimensions or surface finishes, which are critical for the seals to work properly.

 

 If you want to use Deutsch connectors but don't like their high prices, look for the Amphenol equivalents.  All Amphenol parts are entirely interchangeable with their Deutsch counterparts, they're made by a reputable manufacturer, distributed through traceable supply chains, and they cost significantly less than Deutsch.  Here are links to the Amphenol product webpages:

 

 Amphenol ATM (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/atm-series) = Deutsch DTM (7.5A per contact)

 Amphenol AT (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/at-series) = Deutsch DT (13A per contact)

 Amphenol ATP (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/atp-series) = Deutsch DTP (25A per contact)

 Amphenol ATHD (https://www.amphenol-sine.com/athd-power-connectors) = Deutsch DTHD (25, 60 or 100A per contact)

 

 Look for the PDF documents at the bottom of each Amphenol product page for part numbering charts.

 

 Digi-Key (https://www.digikey.com/), Mouser (https://www.mouser.com/), Newark (https://www.newark.com/), Waytek Wire (https://www.waytekwire.com/catalog/connectors), WireCare (https://www.wirecare.com/manufacturers/amphenol), BuyDeutsch (https://www.buydeutsch.com/collections/amphenol) and many others carry these connectors.

 

 I'll echo Werner's recommendation to use machined contacts, not stamped-and-formed, as it's much easier to get good results when crimping.  For good quality, inexpensive crimp tooling, look for the tools made by Iwiss (often sold under the iCrimp brand).  For ATM/DTM, get the IWD-20 (https://www.icrimptools.com/collections/heavy-duty-connector-crimping-tool/products/iwiss-closed-barrel-crimper-4-way-indents-8-impressions-for-deutsch-solid-contacts-gage-20-22iwd-20), for AT/DT, get the IWD-16 (https://www.icrimptools.com/collections/heavy-duty-connector-crimping-tool/products/iwiss-closed-barrel-crimper-4-way-indent-8-impression-type-for-deutsch-solid-contacts-gage-14-16-18iwd-16) and for ATP/DTP, get the IWD-12 (https://www.icrimptools.com/collections/heavy-duty-connector-crimping-tool/products/iwiss-closed-barrel-crimper-4-way-indent-8-impression-type-for-deutsch-solid-contacts-gage-12-iwd-12).  All of these are usually available at good prices on Amazon and eBay.  If you a!

   lready have a Size 20 crimper for standard-density machined D-Sub contacts, give it a try on ATM/DTM before you buy another tool; it may work fine with a small depth adjustment.

 

 All you really need for contact removal tools are a small flat-blade screwdriver and a mini pick.  If you want a specific tool, Amazon has one for $6 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BZJ8Q7WD) that works for all connector sizes.

 

 I have saved lists at Digi-Key containing all of the basic components for ATM, AT and ATP series connectors in all available pin counts.  See the links below:

 

 ATM: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/S9PGBP85ZQ (https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/S9PGBP85ZQ)

 AT: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/XMKHB6MTG5 (https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/XMKHB6MTG5)

 ATP: https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/6UR6QPAV5H (https://www.digikey.com/en/mylists/list/6UR6QPAV5H)

 

 I included all of the pins and sockets that Digi-Key carries; a few additional part numbers are listed in the Amphenol chart but not in Digi-Key's catalog.

 

 To build a connector pair you need the following parts:

 - plug housing + socket contacts

 - plug wedge lock

 - receptacle housing + pin contacts

 - receptacle wedge lock

 - sealing plug for every unused position in each housing

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=515161#515161

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user9253

Joined: 28 Mar 2008
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Location: Riley TWP Michigan

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Deutsch, the big brother of Dsub

Thanks Eric for great advice.

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