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gary-n-dorothy(at)bhwi.ne
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:49 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Regarding the Antifreeze issue ( phosphate and silicate  free)   does anyone have some brand names of acceptable products for  our Rotax engines?

  

 Same question for the oil used in the injection .

  

 Other than the Wt. and Balance issue  of the starter being  located further forward,  why ? or how?    is the "E" box  different,   or better, than the  "C" box unit? and will both fit  the same motor mounts?

  

 Sorry for all the questions, but am trying to not make an expensive  mistake with my new toy.

 Gary 

   

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Guy Buchanan

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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

At 07:47 AM 10/22/2006, you wrote:

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		  Regarding the Antifreeze issue ( phosphate and silicate free)   does 

anyone have some brand names of acceptable products for our Rotax engines?



I'm using Dexcool and/or Zerex. I've not found any listing of acceptable 
	


brands.



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		  Same question for the oil used in the injection .


	


Pennzoil 2-cycle for air cooled engines. (Unfortunately you've probably 

started the twice-dreaded 2-cycle oil debate again.)

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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

I think any of the Dexcool compatible antifreeze  solutions will be what you want. They are almost universally orange colour. I'd  go with the premixed or buy distilled water to mix them. 

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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Generally the antifreeze is the  new "red" stuff.  The important thing is not to use tap water to mix with  the antifreeze.  If the antifreeze bottle says anything about having  silicates give it the deep six.

  

 when it comes to the oil Rotax  says specification TC  not TW3 or anything else.  The problem starts  in that a lot of oil manufacturers have oils they say are the same as TC but  don't carry the official Spec.  To be sure buy the Bombardier oil in bulk  if you can get it.  Another popular oil is Pennzoil TC but I don't think  it's available north of the 49th.

  

  

 

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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Sorry hit the send button too  soon.

  

 About the PSRU (Propeller Speed  Reduction Unit) AKA the "box"  the "C" box has the starter on the Magneto  end of the crankshaft.  The torque required to start the engine puts undue  stress on the crankshaft and it cracks at the end effectively cutting the engine  ignition.  The "E" box has the starter mounted on the PSRU itself.   That makes the starter easier to inspect and removes the heavy torques from  the mag end of the crankshaft.  The down sides to the "E" box are having  the starter out front next to the prop changes the CG of the airplane from the  "C" box and of course co$t to purchase is higher.

  

 the "C" box has a hole in the  propeller shaft that can be used for adjustable props.  I don't know if the  "E" box has this hole but I suspect it does.

  

  

 

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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Well let's face it ... It's that time of the year again 



I think most of us more true to our oil than to our ladies... 



Noel



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		   Pennzoil 2-cycle for air cooled engines. (Unfortunately 

 you've probably 

 started the twice-dreaded 2-cycle oil debate again.)

 >

 

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gary-n-dorothy(at)bhwi.ne
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Thanks All

  

 Here in Montana ( Lower 48's)  tho at times it is warmer in  Alaska. 

 It is time to get things winterized.

 Don't want to start a debate on oils and antifreezes ---I've  read Rotaxes recommendations,  but they don't seem to like to mention brand  names-  which I suppose I can understand.

  It is  difficult however at times to get the info off of  the product packaging and I was sure that this group would have some info to  share.     Again thanks !!!

 I still haven't flown my plane  as I have been preparing  a workshop / hanger -trying to beat the snowflakes, (today I finish the  insulation)   -  and I need a  biannual,  and condition  inspection also. I have recently moved back here and after a 30  year absence I am having quite a time finding new services and businesses  to use. 

    (But it's fun to be retired !!! except now,   I wonder how I ever got anything done before retirement?) .

  

 Gary

  

  

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dave

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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Gary ,  No argument  needed.  

  

 Rotax recommends a APT-TC rated oil  NOT   TCW3  outboard oil  

 Pennzoil  for Air cooled and  Bombardier  XPS mineral are readily available for oil injection systems. These oils both  work and are proven. 

 Some will like to use synthetics and if you run  them at least twice a week you  " might" fare well using them.  I use  mineral oil and am at over 60 hours on plugs in  582 now and  no  troubles..

  

 Antifreeze.  Dexcool and Havoline are 2 that  come to mind.  Distilled water is available at most grocery  stores.

  

 Good luck on annual and get it flying .    Are you a Ski  flyer ?

  

 Dave 

  

  

  

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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Sorry, forgot  Gear box  oil     85w- 140   is what Rtoax  recomends.   

 85W 90 can be used as well. 

  

  

 Dave 

  

  

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cliffh(at)outdrs.net
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Gary

 Where are you located?

 I am in Helena

  

 Floran H.

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eskflyer(at)lvcisp.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Not me I play with both . Makes for a interesting time lol . 

Yep the dreaded oil thingy has been restarted. .



John Perry

Kitfox 2 N718PD

pennzoil 2 stroke aircooled oil



DO NOT ARCHIVE



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		   Well let's face it ... It's that time of the year again 

 

 I think most of us more true to our oil than to our ladies... 

 

 Noel

> Pennzoil 2-cycle for air cooled engines. (Unfortunately 

> you've probably 

> started the twice-dreaded 2-cycle oil debate again.)

> >

> 

> Guy 


	


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algate(at)attglobal.net
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

Gary   

   

I always used Haveline Coolant in my 582 – 75:25 in summer and 50:50 in winter. Water was always distilled.  

   

Oil was Pennzoil 2 stroke oil for Air cooled engines.  

   

Regards’  

   

Gary Algate  

         

  

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Glasgow

 Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:48 AM

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[b]Regarding the Antifreeze issue ( phosphate and silicate free)   does anyone have some brand names of acceptable products for our Rotax engines?[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Same question for the oil used in the injection .[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Other than the Wt. and Balance issue  of the starter being located further forward,  why ? or how?    is the "E" box different,   or better, than the  "C" box unit? and will both fit the same motor mounts?[/b]  

    

   

    

[b]Sorry for all the questions, but am trying to not make an expensive mistake with my new toy.[/b]  

    

[b]Gary[/b][b] [/b]  

    

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roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Antifreeze- Oil & gear boxes ?

I don't like changing either of them!   Probably changed more wives than oil 

though. Just don't mix the two types, of oil, or it will jell.   Ron NB Or

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Not me I play with both . Makes for a interesting time lol . Yep the 

dreaded oil thingy has been restarted. .



John Perry

Kitfox 2 N718PD

pennzoil 2 stroke aircooled oil



DO NOT ARCHIVE



>Well let's face it ... It's that time of the year again 

>

>I think most of us more true to our oil than to our ladies...

>

>Noel

>>Pennzoil 2-cycle for air cooled engines. (Unfortunately you've probably 

>>started the twice-dreaded 2-cycle oil debate again.)

>> >

>>

>>Guy



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