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Float Flyr
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 Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic |
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Just guessing again... but it may come from the word coxswain... the coxswain is a helmsman and the term coxswain is often contracted to "Cox" In the old WW1 planes the Cockpit was a little better than a hole or "pit" in the fuselage where the pilot could huddle and control the plane. That makes me wonder if the word cockpit is a development of a term Cox pit.
The concise Oxford Dictionary describes, in part, the cockpit as being the after part of a man of war's orlop deck. The orlop deck is lowest of three decks. A cockpit is also described as an arena of any struggle. that may be true
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Michel
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic |
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Hello Noel,
On Oct 25, 2006, at 1:56 AM, Noel Loveys wrote:
| Quote: | Just guessing again... but it may come from the word coxswain...
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Thank you for asking!  Etymology is my passion and so is the history
of seafarers, so; here is my answer.
Coque, is a French word that means; hull. But it is also a type of
small vessel. The word is also found in Cog, the type of vessels the
Hanseatic league used during the late middle-age to ferry, among other
things, stock fish (dried and/or salted cod) from Norway to central and
south Europe.
Cock is also a English type of small vessel, where the name came with
the French speaking Normands when they invaded England, taking with
them many French words in the Anglo-Saxon language.
From that, I suppose that cockpit is ... a pit in a cock, or coque. The
word cockpit in aviation is, as you know, borrowed from ship where the
cockpit is, as you say, the recess in the deck level, where the
helmsman steers. But, in my knowledge, the coxswain is not the helmsman
but the commander of the deckhands. Maybe this may vary from countries
to countries. But it is very likely that the "cox" of the coxswain
comes from the same "cock" or "coque."
Cheers,
Michel
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: Origin of Cockpit... only slightly off topic |
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My understanding is the commander of the deck crew is the third mate or
Boatswain.
What do you think about that... Is the Cox and the boatswain the same
position in different ships??
Noel
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