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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

At the risk of catching hell for hogging the bandwidth...anybody seen 

"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved it...very good period 

scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and very little love 

story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend belief during 

some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie. And the fact 

that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17’s, in about 50 days is 

amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.



Lynn

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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:41:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  lynnmatt(at)jps.net writes:

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At the risk of catching hell for hogging the    bandwidth...anybody seen 

"Flyboys" yet? I've seen it twice and loved    it...very good period 

scenery and costumes, great dogfight scenes, and    very little love 

story...the dirigible scene was great. I had to suspend    belief during 

some of the scenes, but overall a very entertaining movie.    And the fact 

that they built the 4 (or 5?) Nieuport 17â€™s, in about 50 days    is 

amazing...not part of the story, but amazing.



Lynn

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 I did  to be frank was very  disappointed  Computer  Generated effects was very very disappointing, yet the rest was fine...   its a B .... want to see a well done flying movie? try Battle of Britain...they  used real planes and models

  

 just an opinion!

  

 Dave

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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

Try Howard Hughes "Hells Angels"   Originally filmed before sound and then re-filmed after sound.  No special  effects what so ever!

  

  

 

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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it. Why would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could tell some of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy all the work that people put into the film. I was doing just that and never noticed anything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the top of an enemy plane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) and the good guy shot an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along side. So what? I guess that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I wonder how anybody that criticizes this excellent flying movie would handle cartoons. I think cartoons might not be realistic either. 

I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving, gymnastics, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic talent and then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk and chew gum tear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back and enjoy this show. It's fantastic! 

Rex in Michigan

 

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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

I saw fly boys in osh in pre print ( still in digital format) and was wandering if they erased the N numbers from all of the airplanes( even the German planes ).  We pointed it out to the director in the Q&A sessions.  

         

  

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I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it. Why would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could tell some of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy all the work that people put into the film. I was doing just that and never noticed anything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the top of an enemy plane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) and the good guy shot an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along side. So what? I guess that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I wonder how anybody that criticizes this excellent flying movie would handle cartoons. I think cartoons might not be realistic either.  

I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving, gymnastics, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic talent and then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk and chew gum tear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back and enjoy this show. It's fantastic!  

Rex in Michigan  

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

I have to check when it will be  a t the nearest theatre, about 60 mi. away.

  

  

 

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:06 am Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

Was "fly-boys" the movie that Robert Beasley from the KCMO. area built some  of the planes for and was filmed in England, or am I thinking of something  else.  If so those planes probably never had any N-numbers.  I know he  bought the planes back from the production co. after the filming was done.   Bob U. 

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Lynn Matteson

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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

One of the few things that struck me as odd was the black streaks that 

represented the bullets flying through the air. Did they have any 

tracers back then? Did the smoke actually follow the bullets like that? 

Or was that merely "poetic license" taken by the graphics illustrators? 

I questioned this the first time I saw the film, but not the second 

time.

I was a student in film production at San Francisco State University 

back in 1978, and we had our share of critics in the classes. According 

to them, there never was a film worth watching. My Dad used to say 

"Remember that the word 'critic' comes from the word 'critical' "

Almost every film ever made has some questionable element to it, but 

that shouldn't deter us from enjoying it, and I enjoyed this film...and 

will again probably. On my second viewing, I noticed the Eiffel Tower 

way in the background in the dirigible scene...didn't notice this 

during the first viewing.



Lynn

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On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 04:34  PM, Rexster wrote:



[quote] I saw Fly-boys with my wife and another couple and we all loved it. 

 Why would somebody want to pick it apart by saying that they could 

 tell some of it was done with computer graphics? Sit back and enjoy 

 all the work that people put into the film. I was doing just that and 

 never noticed anything looking fake. Okay, so one plane took off the 

 top of an enemy plane with it's landing gear (no damage to the gear) 

 and the good guy shot an enemy pilot with a pistol while flying along 

 side. So what? I guess that stuff could happen, though unlikely. I 

 wonder how anybody that criticizes this excellent flying movie would 

 handle cartoons. I think cartoons might not be realistic either.



 I feel the same way watching an event like ice dancing, diving, 

 gymnastics, etc. We watch some out of this world exhibits of athletic 

 talent and then listen to some commentators who probably can't walk 

 and chew gum tear the athletes apart with criticism. I say, sit back 

 and enjoy this show. It's fantastic!



 Rex in Michigan



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

My Kitplanes Nov 2006, has a Robert Baslee of Airdrome Aeroplanes as 

the builder. Also see Kitplanes August 2005...I can't find my copy to 

verify this last date. That was the article called "Four planes, 52 

days".

Gee, Bob, now I have to see the movie again to check for "N" 

numbers....oh well...



Lynn

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On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 08:43  PM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote:



[quote] Was "fly-boys" the movie that Robert Beasley from the KCMO. area built 

 some of the planes for and was filmed in England, or am I thinking of 

 something else.  If so those planes probably never had any N-numbers.  

 I know he bought the planes back from the production co. after the 

 filming was done.  Bob U.



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Richard Rabbers

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:06 am Post subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

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		  One of the few things that struck me as odd was the black streaks that represented the bullets flying through the air. Did they have any tracers back then? 	




I prefer to sit back and enjoy...  or if you go to a move to critique it - OK too. I don't want to be critical of a critic... so I guess those who enjoy can do that.... those who are critical of the movie need to find other pleasures. (probably most would go out and fire up their Kitfox - I don't think there are critics in this area.)



I gathered that Flyboys was a result of huge amounts of research and reverance for WW-1 flyers... so assume it was fairly close to factual.



Tracers appear to be part of WW-1.

WW-1 Fact seekers.. (if you are willing to rely on MGM for facts)

http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf



Other searching confirms tracers in WW-1.



How about being a test pilot while propeller/gun sync was being worked out.

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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

They had much worse!  There even came a time when they (both sides) were

forbidden to use certain types of ammunition because it was looked at as

being too damaging to human flesh.

(Exploding bullets, incinerates bullets).  There has even been some

controversy that some of the Great Aces of the war were using these

"forbidden" bullets to help increase their scores.



Dave



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Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

Rolland Garros  (of the French Open) well he was a French Pilot;  Bolted

steel wedges to his propeller, mounted a Hotchkiss machine gun (army issue)

in front of him and went up and promptly shot down 2 German aircraft.  His

aircraft was captured (engine failure) within the month, and I think was

taken over to Fokker, and his engineers worked out the sync mech.  Faulty

ammo still would remove propeller blades from time to time.



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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: OFF TOPIC: "Flyboys"

The streaks may be accurate.  I've seen some WWII footage from a Stuka 

firing its machine guns and they had a smoke type trace.  Looked gray on 

the B&W film though.  And yes, tracers were available during WWI.



Jerry Liles



Lynn Matteson wrote:



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 One of the few things that struck me as odd was the black streaks that 

 represented the bullets flying through the air. Did they have any 

 tracers back then? Did the smoke actually follow the bullets like 

 that? Or was that merely "poetic license" taken by the graphics 

 illustrators? I questioned this the first time I saw the film, but not 

 the second time.

 I was a student in film production at San Francisco State University 

 back in 1978, and we had our share of critics in the classes. 

 According to them, there never was a film worth watching. My Dad used 

 to say "Remember that the word 'critic' comes from the word 'critical' "

 Almost every film ever made has some questionable element to it, but 

 that shouldn't deter us from enjoying it, and I enjoyed this 

 film...and will again probably. On my second viewing, I noticed the 

 Eiffel Tower way in the background in the dirigible scene...didn't 

 notice this during the first viewing.

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