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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:20 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

Hello friends,

Sorry for this off-topic question but ... knowing that you are highly experienced pilots, your opinion matters to me.



Yesterday, I was flying my Kitfox in formation with another plane. As we flew back home, I called the nearby tower and presented myself as "Lima Lima November in formation." This is what I have always done it and never got a comment.

But, yesterday, the tower answered: "Please, avoid saying 'in formation,' it sounds too much like 'information'! "

.. Ok. But what should I be saying then?



Cheers,

Michel



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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

Michel,

  

 I think what they want to hear is "Lima  Lima November, flight of two......"

  

 Trey Moran

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propellerdesign(at)tele2.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:16 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

With formation ?

  

 Jan

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:44 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

"Flight of two"



Deke



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akflyer
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

yep, "flight of two" always worked for me.

smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

Yes Michel,



"Flight of 2" is right, unless you have more than 2 of

course.



Kurt S.



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		   "Flight of two"

 

 Deke


	




 

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clemwehner(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

I flew a lot of formation in the USAF, and typically we established each

communication with a controlling agency with "ourcallsign, flight of x"

depending on the number in the flight, of course. Once in a conversation

with a controller we didn't give the number of aircraft each

transmission cause that got kind of cumbersome. Instead, we identified

ourselves as "ourcallsign flight".  The next transmission to a new

controller or after a period of time, we used the number of aircraft in

our flight again, so they would be sure to know. 



Clem

Lawton, OK

Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

Thank you very much, Trey, Deke, Leni, Kurt and Clem, and ... tusen 

takk, Jan! 



Now, I know how to talk like a real pilot!  I browsed the internet, 

trying to find the right terminology but I couldn't find it.

Next time, I'll try: "Torp Tower, Lima lima tango, flight of thousands, 

..  Nah, I don't think they appreciate that kind of humour.



Jan, for your information, we - Norwegian pilots - think that Sweden is 

a paradise, your airfields are really great and your ATC services, very 

friendly. I have been flying mostly the western coast, Fjällbacka, 

Varberg, Höganäs.



Cheers,

Michel



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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

Michel,



Just remember to keep your flight together around the

control zone of the airport.  They expect you to be

within about 200 meters horizontal distance (700 feet)

except when seperating to land, if I remember the

distance correctly.  If you are too far apart, they

can not direct you safely as a flight around other

aircraft.



To get your farthest acceptable distance worked out,

seperate by the maximum distance on the ground and

find the smallest feature on the other aircraft you

can just see.  Then make sure you can still see that

feature in flight.  You know as a sailor how distances

can be hard to tell out in the open, so use this.



I was once #64 in a flight of 67, so big flights do

happen.  



Once overhead the runway, as the navy does it in "the

break", or turning base, you can pick up your landing

seperation.  If you have not practiced the break, it

is better to just have each plane turn base a little

later than the first to get your landing distance and

still keep site of each other.  Make sure that the

following plane(s) are on the outside of your turns so

you don´t turn into them.



"Norski flight of 1000 for landing."  Ok, that may

take over 200 meters front to back..... 



Kurt S.



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--- Michel Verheughe <michel(at)online.no> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thank you very much, Trey, Deke, Leni, Kurt and

 Clem, and ... tusen takk, Jan! 

 

 Now, I know how to talk like a real pilot!  I

 browsed the internet, 

 trying to find the right terminology but I couldn't

 find it.

 Next time, I'll try: "Torp Tower, Lima lima tango,

 flight of thousands, 

 ...  Nah, I don't think they appreciate that kind

 of humour......

 Cheers,

 Michel

 

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propellerdesign(at)tele2.
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

Sweden is a Great country to fly in, a lot of  uncontrolled airspace, I live on the west coast of Lake Vänern.

  

 Fuel is not that expensive (everything is  relative)

  

 Good visibility most of the time.

  

 Jan

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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

On Oct 31, 2006, at 5:52 AM, kurt schrader wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   They expect you to be within about 200 meters horizontal distance


	


Thank you, Kurt, it's good to know.



 	  Quote: 	
		   If you have not practiced the break, it is better to just have each 

 plane turn base a little

 later than the first to get your landing distance and still keep site 

 of each other.


	


This is exactly  what we do; extend the downwind leg to give some space.



Cheers,

Michel



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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: OFF-TOPIC: ATC question

On Oct 31, 2006, at 12:11 PM, JC Propellerdesign wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Sweden is a Great country to fly in, a lot of uncontrolled airspace, I 

 live on the west coast of Lake Vänern.


	


Ok, Jan. I fly my Kitfox from Jarsberg ENJB, about one hour flight from 

Göteborg. We will certainly meet one day. How about arranging a 

Scandinavian Kitfox fly-in?



Hej då,



Michel



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