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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: FAA seat belt requirementFAA seat belt requirement Reply with quote

The wording of this Advisory Circular, which does not carrry the full weight
of the FARs states that you "should" not "must" install TSO seat belts.
Marty RV-6A Wiring



Ken:

Read AC 20-27E section 7 d (2). (its on page 4)

http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/rules/ac20-27e.pdf

or



http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular
.nsf/0/0ca2845e2aafffbb86256dbf00640cb2/$FILE/AC20-27F.pdf


it says:
"d. Designing the Cockpit/Cabin. When you design the cockpit or cabin,
you
should do the
following:"
-------- snip ---------
"(2) Install FAA TSO-approved seatbelts and shoulder harnesses. ..."

Note that it says "...you should..." not that you must.

I am trying to find in the regulations and FAA orders where it says
that you
MUST have seatbelts in an amateur built experimental aircraft . I do
not
know any DARs or FAA inspectors that will put their name on the
Special
Airworthiness Certificate pink slip (FAA Form 8130-7) on any amateur
bult
aircraft that does not have seat belts.

If you find the FAA REQUIREMENT that says you MUST have seatbelts in
an
amateur built experimental, please post it to the list.

Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,962 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://www.rvdar.com


----Original Message Follows----
From: "kenneth hill" <khill5(at)indy.rr.com>
Subject: FAA seat belt requirement

The FAA inspected my RV-9A yesterday and all went well, thank you very
much.
I now have a legal airplane and am preparing for the phase 1 flyoff.

However, the inspector said my seat belts, the 4 point style from
Van's,
were not TSO'd and therefore not legal for me to use. He said I would
have
to change them to a TSO'd brand before I could fly the plane. Has
anyone
else run into this? I talked to Van's and their opinion was "it is an

experimental and therefore the non-FAA PMA seatbelts are acceptable."
Do I
make the government happy and maybe avoid problems down the road by
changing
them or continue with what I have installed?

Ken Hill
Plainfield, IN.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: FAA seat belt requirementFAA seat belt requirement Reply with quote

Also see Page 1 Section 1b same Circular "1b This AC is not mandatory and
does not constitute a regulation...."

Bill S

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: FAA seat belt requirementFAA seat belt requirement Reply with quote

You are right. You do not need to uinstall TSO seat belts, just belts that are safe in the opinion of the inspector.

Mike Robertson
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From: emrath(at)comcast.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: FAA seat belt requirementFAA seat belt requirement
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:39:37 -0500



The wording of this Advisory Circular, which does not carrry the full weight
of the FARs states that you "should" not "must" install TSO seat belts.
Marty RV-6A Wiring



Ken:

Read AC 20-27E section 7 d (2). (its on page 4)

http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/rules/ac20-27e.pdf

or



http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular
.nsf/0/0ca2845e2aafffbb86256dbf00640cb2/$FILE/AC20-27F.pdf


it says:
"d. Designing the Cockpit/Cabin. When you design the cockpit or cabin,
you
should do the
following:"
-------- snip ---------
"(2) Install FAA TSO-approved seatbelts and shoulder harnesses. ..."

Note that it says "...you should..." not that you must.

I am trying to find in the regulations and FAA orders where it says
that you
MUST have seatbelts in an amateur built experimental aircraft . I do
not
know any DARs or FAA inspectors that will put their name on the
Special
Airworthiness Certificate pink slip (FAA Form 8130-7) on any amateur
bult
aircraft that does not have seat belts.

If you find the FAA REQUIREMENT that says you MUST have seatbelts in
an
amateur built experimental, please post it to the list.

Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
1,962 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
http://www.rvdar.com


----Original Message Follows----
From: "kenneth hill" <khill5(at)indy.rr.com>
Subject: FAA seat belt requirement

The FAA inspected my RV-9A yesterday and all went well, thank you very
much.
I now have a legal airplane and am preparing for the phase 1 flyoff.

However, the inspector said my seat belts, the 4 point style from
Van's,
were not TSO'd and therefore not legal for me to use. He said I would
have
to change them to a TSO'd brand before I could fly the plane. Has
anyone
else run into this? I talked to Van's and their opinion was "it is an

experimental and therefore the non-FAA PMA seatbelts are acceptable."
Do I
make the government happy and maybe avoid problems down the road by
changing
them or continue with what I have installed?

Ken Hill
Plainfield, IN.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: FAA seat belt requirementFAA seat belt requirement Reply with quote

Mike Robertson wrote:

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You are right. You do not need to uinstall TSO seat belts, just belts that are safe in the opinion of the inspector.

Mike Robertson
Das Fed

Mike, when the inspector from your office looked at my RV-6 the first
thing he did was check to make sure I had TSOed seat belts, that was
about all he wanted to look at. Of course that was long before your time
there. Smile

Jerry
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