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naumuk(at)alltel.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Fence

All-

     Attached is a letter to the our  local paper's editor. I don't think this is an off-list topic, due to our list  membership. 

     I'm not ashamed, I'm  infuriated!

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville,  Pa

   

 



  Jeanne-

     There is no link on your website  for editorial contributions, but I figured you could correctly direct this  submission. Thanks.

 Bill Naumuk

Townville, Pa

     Please consider the  following:

     I'm normally apolitical, but the  recent actions of the incumbent administration mandate my humble,  dissenting opinion.

     The fence between Mexico and the  US is a farce. The Great Wall of China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers  failed to stop the Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have?  Erecting such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the  face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are being  circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed  immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial at Nuremburg.      The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this  atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"  represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the  country.

     Bureaucracy has taken  over. Self-sustaining government was responsible for the rise and fall  of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, and the British Empire. Are we  witnessing the rise and fall of the American Empire? 

     1. The label Department of  Homeland Security makes me gag. Too close to "Fatherland" Security.

     2. The 911 bombers  came into the country through Canada. Are we going to fence off Canada,  too?

     3. We're trying to keep out  hardworking people who are willing to work for less than US citizens. Most of us  are the decendents of the Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who  were welcomed in through Ellis Island and did the same, then died  in WWII fighting to protect the right to the "American Dream." (Not to  mention those brought against their will on slave ships).

     This time, you and I as  Americans have to step up and defend the Constitution, written to protect  oppressed people throughout the world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in  Washington. Don't think in terms of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of  right or wrong.

     Thank  you. 

    [quote][b]

d.goddard(at)ns.sympatico
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: Fence

Bill, I think if you check you will find that  the 911 terrorists did not come from or through Canada. It was part of the  original misinformation supllied by your officials that turned out to be  incorrect. None of them came from or through Canada, they were all in your  country as residents, visitors or students. As to the rest, I think it is  currently a goal to pay Boeing a few billion to secure your northern border,  they aleady have gunships patrolling the great lakes. It really is best that I  not offer any opinion on your government. BTW can you get your abassador to stop  telling us what we should do, it's irritating. 

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: Fence

WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and  defend the Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the  world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."

 The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE  PEOPLE"  NOT  "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in  influx of ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us  in.

 Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL  ALIENS.

  KABONG  Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)

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601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Fence

I must be missing something. What does fencing,  terrorists, politics, etc. have to do with building Zenith Aircraft?  

  

 Do not archive.

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jmccourt(at)jeremymccourt
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Fence

I guess if someone crashes on the fence, they need to worry about where 

to bury the survivors.



Robin Bellach wrote:

[quote] I must be missing something. What does fencing, terrorists, politics, 

 etc. have to do with building Zenith Aircraft?

  

 Do not archive.



     ---

larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: Fence

Hi guys,

HOW ABOUT A "DO NOT ARCHIVE" WITH THESE POSTS.

If they don't belong in the forum, leave them out, find another group 

who cares

enough to be a group that would act.  When I'm reading the Zenith List 

posts,

I am not political or anything else.  Doubt many are either.  Please 

consider the

value of being responsible for these emotional posts. The archives, 

content of our projects

and progress are adversely affected by these things. Let's stay on topic 

or at least

add the appropriate Do Not Archive, Please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.



Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.



Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

do not archive



Bill Naumuk wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   All-

     Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't 

 think this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.

     I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!

 Bill Naumuk

 HDS Fuselage

 Townville, Pa

  



 Jeanne-

     There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but 

 I figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.

 Bill Naumuk

 Townville, Pa

     Please consider the following:

     I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the 

 incumbent administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.

     The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of 

 China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the 

 Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting 

 such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the 

 face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are 

 being circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't 

 reversed immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial 

 at Nuremburg.     The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this 

 atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives" 

 represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.

     Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was 

 responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek 

 Empire, and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of 

 the American Empire? 

     1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too 

 close to "Fatherland" Security.

     2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we 

 going to fence off Canada, too?

     3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to 

 work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the 

 Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through 

 Ellis Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect 

 the right to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought 

 against their will on slave ships).

     This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the 

 Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world 

 rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in 

 terms of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.

     Thank you. 



*

*

rjscep(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: Fence

 	  Quote: 	
		  Lets stick to building planes, then we can strafe the

terrorists as they climb up over the fence or at 

scare them off. Do not archive....BS


	


--- Jeremy McCourt <jmccourt(at)jeremymccourt.com> wrote:



[quote] 

 <jmccourt(at)jeremymccourt.com>

 

 I guess if someone crashes on the fence, they need

 to worry about where 

 to bury the survivors.

 

 Robin Bellach wrote:

 > I must be missing something. What does fencing,

 terrorists, politics, 

 > etc. have to do with building Zenith Aircraft?

 >  

 > Do not archive.

 >

 >     ---

craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: Fence

I too wish to apologize to our Mexican (and Canadian when  it comes to that) members.

  

 -- Craig

[quote] [b]

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: Fence

I thought  this was a Zenith-net that was supposed to be about building Zenith  airplanes, not a political forum.  If you people want to engage in this  kind of dialog, do it off net.

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schnooze(at)HOTMAIL.COM
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: Fence

I have learned in life that there are two things that just about every last person in the world has passionate views about – religion and politics.  And, for every person we find who agrees with our political/religious view, there is certainly another person who will disagree with that view.  The beauty of this list is that we can rest with the knowledge that there is a place where absolutely every last member shares the same view – the view that safely building, flying, and maintaining experimental aircraft is of paramount importance for all who engage in this endeavor.  

   

It would be sad, indeed, if we allowed ourselves to divide up along political / religious / national / etc lines.  I learn for all of your posts – when I build my aircraft, I want all of you on my team.  But, if we allow this list to be a political forum, there is certain to be many of you that will be someplace else when I am ready to ask my questions.  

   

Bill C.  

0% (due to military orders that have me outside of country)  

         

  

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone

 Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:49 PM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Fence  

  

     

     I thought this was a Zenith-net that was supposed to be about building Zenith airplanes, not a political forum.  If you people want to engage in this kind of dialog, do it off net.  

  [quote]    

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Trainnut01(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: Fence

A 700 mile fence on a 3000 mile boarder won't work. Somebody needs to do  the math.

 Carroll Jernigan

  [quote][b]

amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: Fence

Bill,



AS a member of the list membership you are refering to ( Mexican- Cuban- American, beaner, what ever)  I told myself that I would not respond to this, because this web forum is just for us guys and gals that work hard during the day, and drink beer ( my brand is Dos X) and build airplanes at night after the kids go to sleep.  I will be super brief.  The fence according to all my Mexican relatives, (yes we too swam across the river for a job many moons ago), feel the fence is actually a good thing.  I know, you are reading this twice thinking "what is this beaner smoking!" but believe it or not My uncle who came across the border with wife in tow in the sixties as well as all my cousins ( too many to list), agree with the fence, becuase it is extremely dangerous to cross and it may prove to save lives, the distance from the border to some of the towns is measured in miles and its hot and dry, and the walk can and has killed many people. The people that truck the families over are also some of the nastiest- meanest people you may run into.  So us folks you are trying to defend, and you are talking about, agree about the fence.  Hey dude,  I think its cool that you can say your peece, that is why we came her right? Its O.K. dude, believe me If we want to get across, trust me we will.  Feel free to email me direct, and let the rest of our friends on this email work on some fun and exciting projects. Let us move on.



Dos X is a Mexican beer for all you Canadian beer drinkers by the way.  It is an acquired taste.  



Juan Antonio Rodriguez Vega 



601 xl Tampa

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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: Fence

Bill,

      Your remarks  about the subject of keeping religious/political views off of this net is the  most intelligent thing I have heard anyone say and I agree with you  100%

  

 Bob Stone, Harker Heights,  Tx

 ZodiacXL

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: Fence

here here!, back to plane building!



Juan Vega



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taffy0687(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: Fence

I agree with Bill C.---- I am having all I can do to keep quiet on the "Fence" issue but will continue not to give my opinion of how I feel about the subject, but;  I feel the original post was out of line for this forum--------- let's use this site for "airplane talk".

 Fritz   90/90   Corvair

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: Fence

OK, let's discuss something non-controversial - like Y-stick vs. dual sticks





-- Craig 



do not archive

NYTerminat(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: Fence

I  Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  

  

  

 In a message dated 10/28/2006 12:29:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  jhstarn(at)verizon.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		     WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and    defend the Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the    world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."

   The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE    PEOPLE"  NOT  "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in    influx of ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us    in.

   Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL    ALIENS.

    KABONG  Do Not Archive. (GBA &  GWB)

	


 

  

  [quote][b]

TxDave

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 168
Location: Temple, TX

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Fence

What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence? Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower. The grass near my fence needs mowing badly, but I can't decide if I should go with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.



Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and underpaid old man.

I love this forum.



do not archive



Dave Clay

Temple, TX

jhstarn(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: Fence

WARNING .........WARNING......Attempted humor alert, delete if humorous 

exchanges offends ya'll.



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence?
	


        That depends on the material & shape of the posts. Round, galvinized 

?  Raw "hat" steel or painted green.



Also, I was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower.

        Is that new, rebuilt or does it come as a you assemble kit.



The grass near my fence needs mowing badly but I can't decide if I should go 

with a Rotax 912 or a Corvair conversion.

        Brand new from the manufacture might be a problem if you deside on a 

Corvair. However I had a Turbo Spider             back when & as our friend 

from Tool Time would have said...Varooom. Many years ago I saw a Corvair 

powered         motorcycle with a sidecar. The owner was a movie actor that 

had a "rubber" face & played in the "beach" movies         of the 60's.



 Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and 

underpaid old man.

        They only shoot lane horses not old farts or I'd already be dead.



I love this forum.

        Me too.  KABONG  (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive   8*)



 	  Quote: 	
		   do not archive



 Dave Clay

 Temple, TX

cgbrt(at)mondenet.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: Fence

Bill

 When I joined the RCAC 52 yrs ago we were told not  to discuss religion, politics and women in the officer's mess.

 I must admit to having problems avoiding the third  subject at times but I believe it was generally good advice that should  apply to this forum.

 I must add that none of the 911 terorist came  from Canada.

 Do not archive

 Carl 

 701/912

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