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rdewees(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: 601 copies or vice versa?

Ron DeWees wrote:

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		   Hi Listers,

 I don't want to jump on the bandwagon for or against Chris with who 

 took whose design, and I sure agree that the Savannah looks a LOT like 

 a 701.  I would like to point out something that I don't think I have 

 seen mentioned in the past.  I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong.

  Chris worked for Robbins Aircraft in France at some point in his 

 early career.  One of the planes designed by Robbins was a popular 

 homebuilt called the Bebe Jodel.  It was and is a great plane and 

 looks more than a little like the early  Heintz CH 100/200, etc 

 planes.  Biggest difference is that they were wood and not metal. Even 

 CH's airfoil is from the same NACA family as the Jodel. I have flown a 

 CH 100 that looked almost exactly like the Robbins D9.  Take a look 

 at   http://www.jodel.com/index.asp?p=d9&themodels.  Look at the 

 horizontal and vertical elevator placement, the wing dihedral, and the 

 three view drawings.  All quite similar and not common to a lot of 

 other planes.  I   never heard Robbins talk about infringements of 

 their design.  Was Jodel the face that launched a thousand (Heintz) 

 ships? Maybe it's a case of what goes around comes around?

 Before I get jumped and flamed I will point out that I fly a "stock" 
	


601HDS taildragger that I love and have no interest in modifying  for 

pleasure or profit but it's sure not a black and white issue when you 

talk about improvements and change to a design. I guess that's why we 

have so many lawyers.

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		   Ron DeWees

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: 601 copies or vice versa?

Just an interesting thought on copying but remember the story of Avid versus KItfox, the parts were interchangable.  When it went before a judge the Judge ruled in favor of the defendant stating while it is a copy it is not elegal to do so.  

Its a bummer someone took the easy way and copied a good design, but the laws of economics will ultimately saturate the market for that type of copied product, and my guess is Zenith will ultimately modify their 701  as a bigger and better design to sell, rejuvenating the Zenith Product life cycle.  Happens will all successful products out there.  Look at the A 320 versus 737 stretch, competition going on.  Mark my words, Zenith will show an updateed "New and Improved" version if the new copy cats eat into their market share.



Juan



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rosestar(at)sonic.net
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: 601 copies or vice versa?

Why mess with a copy when you can buy the real deal?  Safety and 

experience are my primary concern.  I would rather by from Chris Heintz' 

company than any copycat.  If the copycat would shortcut design and 

research steps, what else has he shortcutted? 



Brad

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