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Dsyvert(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: AFS primer

Group,

  

     I searched Matronics and VansAirforce on AFS  primer. My questions are:

  

 1) Do you use it? If yes why? If not, why not?

 2) On a scale of zero to ten do you think it is good? One being worse  than no primer; Two being equivalent to no primer; Four being as good  as SW988;  Six beings as good Var-prime; and ten being as good as  epoxy.

 3) It seems that AFS is really a fabric covering company. Does anyone know  if they have any major customers like Boeing or has any of the majors tested  it?

 4) Is there any long term tests?

 5) Any other thoughts?

  

 I like the idea of it being more environmentally friendly to me, but there  does not seem to be a lot of information out there. I am a bit concerned it  not having a SW or PPG name on it. You would think that these companies would  have come up with something similar.

  

 I plan on calling them tomorrow with similar questions.

  

 Thanks

 Dave Syvertson

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Todd.Stovall(at)pentagon.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: AFS primer

I just got through priming my VS, Rudder,  and the rear spar to the HS this weekend.  I used the AFS gray  primer/sealer and liked the results. My application wasn't perfect, but I  honestly believe it was my technique ( or lack there of) that was the  culprit.  I chose AFS because it's water based so lower flammability  issues (I'm working in my basement), lower fumes, and toxicity.  I still  wore a mask, but no one upstairs complained and I did have a window and door  open with a fan running.  I really can't rank it because I haven't used  anything else, but it was easy to apply (Harbor Freight HVLP gun) and  cleanup.  I'm going to start smashing rivets tonight so I'll let you know  how it holds up to that process.  So I tentatively give it a thumbs up, but  we'll see for sure after I abuse it a little.

  

 FYI, I also chose to go the Sanchem route  vs. alodine, again trying to avoid toxic chemicals to maximum extent  possible.  This was also easy to use, but it didn't give me a warm fuzzy  that the treatment is actually took.  The color change was pretty uneven in  places and on the whole, very light.  I followed the directions to the  letter so hopefully all is well, but there's know way to know for  sure.

  

 Todd

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Sean Blair

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 39
Location: Colorado Springs

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: AFS primer

Hi Dave,



I'm well into my construction process and have used the AFS white primer the whole time.  My impression of it is good so far.  It's very easy to work with and the water based composition is a biggy for me because I have to run an LP heater in the uninsulated hangar where I build in Colorado.



I have never tried the other brands you mention, but did try the Sherwin Williams Wash Primer that Van's uses on the rudder.  I much prefer the AFS.



You should still use breathing protection with this stuff.



I recommend using Alumiprep, and Scotch Brite Pads for prep as well.  Once the primer dries, it's fairly tough.



If you want to check out more, my builder's site is:  http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/



Lots of primer pics there.

Good luck,



Sean Blair

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		   Group,

  

     I searched Matronics and VansAirforce on AFS  primer. My questions are:

  

 1) Do you use it? If yes why? If not, why not?

 2) On a scale of zero to ten do you think it is good? One being worse  than 

 no primer; Two being equivalent to no primer; Four being as good  as SW988;  

 Six beings as good Var-prime; and ten being as good as  epoxy.

 3) It seems that AFS is really a fabric covering company. Does anyone know  

 if they have any major customers like Boeing or has any of the majors tested  

 it?

 4) Is there any long term tests?

 5) Any other thoughts?

  

 I like the idea of it being more environmentally friendly to me, but there  

 does not seem to be a lot of information out there. I am a bit concerned it  

 not having a SW or PPG name on it. You would think that these companies would  

 have come up with something similar.

  

 I plan on calling them tomorrow with similar questions.

  

 Thanks

 Dave Syvertson

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arthurww

Joined: 18 Oct 2006
Posts: 7
Location: UK

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: Re: AFS primer

Todd,

Have you considered doing some tests to see how the Sanchem treated alu

compares to untreated? ( like hang in a jam jar of salt water)

Have you got any info on which Safegard system you are using, and what the process involves? 

The Sanchem website is not very good.

Regards

Arthur

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Todd.Stovall(at)pentagon.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: AFS primer

Arthur,

Not really.  Since I'm priming I'm not too concerned about it.  It's costing me a little extra time and money to do it, but if it helps even a little bit, I'm satisfied.  If you have any doubts, want the guaranteed max protection, and aren't concerned about working with hazardous material, then I'd go the Alodine route.  Some other folks over on the Van's Air Force forum have looked into Sanchem (do  a search on it) and it would appear to offer protection similar (I won't say "the same") as Alodine.  Time will tell I suppose....



Todd



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Eddie G.

Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 15
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: AFS primer

I got some info from Sanchem today, but wasn't much help. Do you clean with Safeguard CC-6100C and then apply AFS gray, or do you apply CC-6100A+B after the CC-6100C and before AFS? 



Thanx...

[quote="Todd.Stovall(at)pentagon."]I just got through priming my VS, Rudder,  and the rear spar to the HS this weekend.  I used the AFS gray  primer/sealer and liked the results. My application wasn't perfect, but I  honestly believe it was my technique ( or lack there of) that was the  culprit.  I chose AFS because it's water based so lower flammability  issues (I'm working in my basement), lower fumes, and toxicity.  I still  wore a mask, but no one upstairs complained and I did have a window and door  open with a fan running.  I really can't rank it because I haven't used  anything else, but it was easy to apply (Harbor Freight HVLP gun) and  cleanup.  I'm going to start smashing rivets tonight so I'll let you know  how it holds up to that process.  So I tentatively give it a thumbs up, but  we'll see for sure after I abuse it a little.

  

 FYI, I also chose to go the Sanchem route  vs. alodine, again trying to avoid toxic chemicals to maximum extent  possible.  This was also easy to use, but it didn't give me a warm fuzzy  that the treatment is actually took.  The color change was pretty uneven in  places and on the whole, very light.  I followed the directions to the  letter so hopefully all is well, but there's know way to know for  sure.

  

 Todd

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Todd.Stovall(at)pentagon.
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: AFS primer

Eddie,

Clean with the "C", rinse, mix the "A" & "B" 1:1, apply, rinse and let air dry. Shooting with compressed iar will speed the process, just make sure you are wearing gloves when handling the parts so you don't contaminate them.  Within 12 hours apply the AFS primer.  This is the same sequense if you were using alumiprep (which I'm going to try next time vs. the "C" product), alodine, and any Brand-x epoxy primer.

 

Todd



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Subject: Re: AFS primer






I got some info from Sanchem today, but wasn't much help. Do you clean with Safeguard CC-6100C and then apply AFS gray, or do you apply CC-6100A+B after the CC-6100C and before AFS?



Thanx...

[quote="Todd.Stovall(at)pentagon."]I just got through priming my VS, Rudder,  and the rear spar to the HS this weekend.  I used the AFS gray  primer/sealer and liked the results. My application wasn't perfect, but I  honestly believe it was my technique ( or lack there of) that was the  culprit.  I chose AFS because it's water based so lower flammability  issues (I'm working in my basement), lower fumes, and toxicity.  I still  wore a mask, but no one upstairs complained and I did have a window and door  open with a fan running.  I really can't rank it because I haven't used  anything else, but it was easy to apply (Harbor Freight HVLP gun) and  cleanup.  I'm going to start smashing rivets tonight so I'll let you know  how it holds up to that process.  So I tentatively give it a thumbs up, but  we'll see for sure after I abuse it a little.

 

 FYI, I also chose to go the Sanchem route  vs. alodine, again trying to avoid toxic chemicals to maximum extent  possible.  This was also easy to use, but it didn't give me a warm fuzzy  that the treatment is actually took.  The color change was pretty uneven in  places and on the whole, very light.  I followed the directions to the  letter so hopefully all is well, but there's know way to know for  sure.

 

 Todd



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