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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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 Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: Pilot In Charge |
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I'm truly saddened by Dave's death. I only talked to him a few times at Monument Valley 2005 but he appeared to be a great guy.
None of us know what happened and we may never know but this may be a good time to discuss pilot in charge procedures. When I first flew with my basic training instructor he went over the basics. The drill was, I'm the pilot, I will give you the controls by saying "your airplane" when I need to take control I will say "my airplane" and you will immediately take your hands off the controls. When you fly with someone else you need to go over these rules. The last thing you want is to be fighting over the controls in a bad situation close to the ground. But just because you go over this doesn't mean they will follow through. You could still find your self fighting a fear stricken passenger fighting the controls. Be prepared to elbow them in the kidneys and maybe the face. What ever you do you may need to do it quickly. Remember this isn't a popularity contest it could be the only thing that saves both of your lives.
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Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: Pilot In Charge |
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Richard, that was VERY well said. I'm often appalled by the lack of safety procedures in many facets of small-aircraft flying.What you describe should be absolutely mandatory before any flight with passengers, ever.
Russ K
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On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:57 PM, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
| Quote: | I'm truly saddened by Dave's death. I only talked to him a few times at Monument Valley 2005 but he appeared to be a great guy.
None of us know what happened and we may never know but this may be a good time to discuss pilot in charge procedures. When I first flew with my basic training instructor he went over the basics. The drill was, I'm the pilot, I will give you the controls by saying "your airplane" when I need to take control I will say "my airplane" and you will immediately take your hands off the controls. When you fly with someone else you need to go over these rules. The last thing you want is to be fighting over the controls in a bad situation close to the ground. But just because you go over this doesn't mean they will follow through. You could still find your self fighting a fear stricken passenger fighting the controls. Be prepared to elbow them in the kidneys and maybe the face. What ever you do you may need to do it quickly. Remember this isn't a popularity contest it could be the only thing that saves both of your lives.
My $.02 worth
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIc
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WillUribe(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: Pilot In Charge |
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A long time ago I was doing touch and goes in my 172 and my uncle was riding shot gun. As we were on final the wind shifted and we lost airspeed. Instinctively I pushed the throttle forward and the noise down. To my surprise the controls were locked. We stalled and hit the runway so hard we bounced back into the air then started drifting to the side of the runway while I was fighting the controls. This is when I noticed my uncle had the controls. I didn't noticed he had grabbed the controls until after we bounced. This all happened in a matter of seconds but my first thought was the controls froze up on me. I wasn't about to elbow my uncle in the face but I did scream as hard as I could to let go of the controls. To his dying days he talked about the time he saved us from me flying the Cessna into the ground. I miss the flights I had with him, it was always an adventure and very memorable.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Martha Neilsen
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 5:57 PM
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Subject: Pilot In Charge
I'm truly saddened by Dave's death. I only talked to him a few times at Monument Valley 2005 but he appeared to be a great guy.
None of us know what happened and we may never know but this may be a good time to discuss pilot in charge procedures. When I first flew with my basic training instructor he went over the basics. The drill was, I'm the pilot, I will give you the controls by saying "your airplane" when I need to take control I will say "my airplane" and you will immediately take your hands off the controls. When you fly with someone else you need to go over these rules. The last thing you want is to be fighting over the controls in a bad situation close to the ground. But just because you go over this doesn't mean they will follow through. You could still find your self fighting a fear stricken passenger fighting the controls. Be prepared to elbow them in the kidneys and maybe the face. What ever you do you may need to do it quickly. Remember this isn't a popularity contest it could be the only thing that saves both of your lives.
My $.02 worth
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