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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

Since I fly mostly off of a controlled airport, I feel I should consider installing one and maybe two strobes to help with being seen. What can the members tell me about there efforts with same. I have a Rotax 582. How much will the electrical system handle and where and how did you mount them? Brand?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

On Nov 19, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Frank Miles wrote:
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Since I fly mostly off of a controlled airport, I feel I should
consider installing one and maybe two strobes to help with being seen.

I am also considering the same, Frank, and I was thinking of the Single
Magnum Smart Strobe Light, Streamlined. I think a good place could be
on the top of the tail.
I'd appreciate any comment on that, thanks.

Cheers,
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

Michel,
Where might I see what that strobe looks like? I was considering the Aero
Flash High Intensity Flush Mount.(I saw it in the Wag Aero catalog but
probably available elsewhere also.) It has a small foot print and can be
mounted top or bottom or on the rudder. Still have concerns about the Rotax
electrical system? Frank

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:10 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

Frank-
John McBean sells a wingtip unit that includes position lights and
strobes. I have them on my Model IV, and I like them. I recall that the
fuses are something like 2 amp and 5 amp (separate fuses for the
position, and the strobes), so the load is not very much for your
electrical system.

Lynn
On Sunday, November 19, 2006, at 01:03 PM, Frank Miles wrote:

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Since I fly mostly off of a controlled airport, I feel I should
consider installing one and maybe two strobes to help with being seen.
What can the members tell me about there efforts with same. I have a
Rotax 582. How much will the electrical system handle and where and
how did you mount them? Brand?

 

Frank

 

 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

Lynn,
Thanks for the response. I would rather have something mounted on the
fuselage so as to not have to bother with trying to feed wires through the
wing and to the tip. I am sure that it can be done but the fuselage mount
seems to be the most practical. Frank

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

On Nov 19, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Frank Miles wrote:
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Where might I see what that strobe looks like?

The only link I have, Frank, is from the place where I intend to buy it
from, in Norway. It is:
http://www.aeroshop.no/KE/KEpriser.htm

But it is in Norwegian. Look at the second item on the list.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

I understand your reasons, but let me offer what I did. I used a
plastic-coated aluminum clothesline wire (slippery) that I fed through
the rear spar, taped the light wires to it, and pulled them through the
spar...took about 10 minutes, with the wings already on the plane. The
wires for the lights come with the kit that I bought, as well as the
power unit....just food for thought.

Lynn
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Lynn,
Thanks for the response. I would rather have something mounted on the
fuselage so as to not have to bother with trying to feed wires through
the
wing and to the tip. I am sure that it can be done but the fuselage
mount
seems to be the most practical. Frank

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:18 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

I did basically the same thing but I used a metal tape measure. It took
longer to take the tips off then it did to pull the wires.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

Michel,

Thanks, found the exact same unit at Aircraft Spruce. Actually surprising
how much of that "other language" I could make out. Thanks again. Frank

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

Frank
I use self contained strobe lights in each wingtip and a strobe on the turtle deck also have nav lights in wing tips . am using led panel lights for instruments and have gps and vavcom hard wired into electrical system . also am running landing and taxi lights . All running off the rotax 582 electrical system and doing fine . never had a problem at all .

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

On Nov 19, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Frank Miles wrote:
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Thanks, found the exact same unit at Aircraft Spruce.

I also looked there, Frank, but I didn't find the single one, and
streamlined. I think that, to fit the top of the tail, it should be the
streamlined, or slim profile one.

Quote:
Actually surprising how much of that "other language" I could make
out.

Not surprisingly; English is mostly the language of the Anglo-Saxons,
the people who lived in south Denmark and north Germany. Norwegian is a
Danish dialect.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

I think if you check the manual for the 582 you will find the output of the magneto lighting coils to be 16A. A good rule of thumb is if you don't have an ammeter across your main buss then only install 80% of the generating capability of the engine. In this case that would be a total draw of 12.8 amp. That way you can't accidentally overload your magneto coils.

If you do have an ammeter across your main buss just make sure that whatever is turned on doesn't total more than 16 amp.

I don't have a ammeter in my plane but I do have a 15A circuit breaker between the voltage regulator and the main buss. That way the circuit breaker will blow (open) before doing damage to my charging system.

Various strobe systems will consume different quantities of current. The current consumption of the unit you are looking at installing should be listed on the outside of the main unit and in the documentation that comes with the unit. Keep the documentation along with the other papers for your plane in case you ever have problems.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

If using a fuselage mount strobe be sure to keep the strobe and the power
pack for it some distance from your Nav/Com antenna. If the wires to the
strobe must cross the coax feeding the radio antenna try to arrange for them
to cross at right angles. Better than that, run the coax on the opposite
side of the plane from the power lines to the strobe.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

The only thing you have there that draws any current is the landing lights under 8A each for 100W lamps. The radio probably less than 5A on transmit. ( assuming its not a post war anchor ) The Nav and instrument lights normally fused for 2A ... I'm doubtful is they use more than 1/2 A combined ( 1/2 A breakers are scarce as hens teeth). Sounds like you are still inside the 80% load I mentioned in an earlier post.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

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when I added it all up it came out to 10.16 amps max at 12 volt . Of course I am not running all of this at once . But am still under the 80 %. This is something that alot of people do not understand when it comes to electricity. I agree it should never be run at max capacity for very long or it will burn out the generator.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

John, I was always under the impression that only thing that would probably happen is that when the amperage exceeded the capacity of the alternator that it would then just start drawing from the battery, slowly drawing it down. I wasn't aware that it could damage the alternator. Do I have to change my thinking now? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:30 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

You're not even up to 70% capacity yet it is amazing how many widgets you can attach to a plane today with very little current consumption. Last year I tried to build an electric carburettor heater. it worked pretty well on battery power with a low enough current requirement. With the engine running and more current available it popped the breaker. One of these days I'll redesign it to consume no more than 5 A.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Strobe light Reply with quote

I burned up 2 regulators and 1 stator before i understood electricity this was in my younger days lol. In my experience even with a good battery but higher draw than electrical capacity for long then it could and will burn up something . The other side is we now have great breakers to help with this if it pops then to much draw on breaker now .

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