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Arty Trost
Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 205
Location: Sandy, Oregon
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 Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
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A number of Kolbers have written about getting their
Sport Pilot license and converting their Kolbs to
E-SLA. I got an e-mail from a friend asking about
whether he should go the Sport Pilot route with his
Firestar. Here is my response - which might be of
interest to others who are facing the same choice.
Hi Roger,
You asked if you should consider transitioning to
Sport Pilot. If
you want the privileges of flying as a Sport Pilot,
then the answer is yes. Primary advantage is being
able to fly over congested areas - and not having to
give way to spam cans in the pattern. PLUS not having
to worry about being ramp checked and fined if you're
flying illegally...flying a "fat" single seater, (or,
after 1-31-2010, a 2-seater.)
But - if you don't care about those advantages and
you've got a legal ultralight, you might want to
continue flying as an ultralight. The disadvantage to
Light Sport is cost,
cost, cost. Here's what it cost me out-of-pocket - not
to mention the study and prep time and the stress!!
Airworthiness certificate - $ 0
BUT - the FAA out of the Hillsboro FSDO did my
inspection . If you don't have an FAA inspector close
by, you'll have to find a volunteer DAR (usually an
EAA member) or pay a DAR to do the inspection.
N-Number $15
I spent $10 to reserve the N-number I wanted, and $5
to register it.
EAA's package to transition your ultralight. $20
This takes you step-by-step through the process and I
found it well worth the money.
Now - the cost for a Sport Pilot license. (None of
this is applicable if you already have a Private Pilot
license. If so, you only need a proficiency checkride
and endorsement to fly an E-SLA.)
Study materials for the Sport Pilot license.
Gleim books for the Knowledge test and the
oral/practical: $40 ($20 each)
King Video course (for the Knowledge exam alone) $139
(I see that King has raised their cost to $239. )
Knowledge exam $90
I took the computerized exam taken at a local
community
college. LazerGrade coordinates the exam with the
college and charges the fee. You can also take it at
many FBOs. Check on-line for what's available in
your area.
Oral and flight exam $750
Brian and Carol Carpenter came to Sandy River Airport
so I could take my exam in my Drifter. If you go to
their FBO in Corning, they charge $375. BUT you'll
probably need transition training in their trainer to
take the flight exam - and I don't know what their
hourly charge is.
There are 4 DPEs in Orgon who can give you the oral
and flight exam - I don't know what they charge. Be
sure to ask about transition training time and costs
if you won't be taking the exam in your own plane.
If you transition your ultralight to an E-LSA you'll
definitely want to take a Repairman Inspection 16 hr.
course so you can do your own annuals instead of
trying to find an A & P who will do it (and who will
almost certainly charge you for it.)
Rainbow Aviation's course $375
They gave the course in Independence, OR 2 weeks ago,
and I was fortunate enough to be able to stay at a
friend's house instead of making the 1 3/4 hr. commute
each day. If you have to go to Corning, CA you'll be
adding in the cost of travel & lodging.
So my total cost for aircraft and pilot transition was
$1429...and a LOT of study prep time.
Arty
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jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
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Arty, you mentioned that if you already Have a pilots liscense, all you need
is a" proficiency checkride & an endorsement." to fly an E-SLA" I have not
kept up with the regs that close on LSA, but I thought Private pilots could
exercise LSA privelidges, if they were already current, (BFR )? Could you
please verify I understood you correctly? Thanks, Jim
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Arty Trost
Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 205
Location: Sandy, Oregon
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
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Let me clarify. According to the FAA inspector who
did my airworthiness certificate, many PPL's are
suprised to find out that in order to fly an E-LSA or
S-LSA using their PPL with a driver's license (instead
of a current medical) they need a proficiency
checkride and a log book endorsement. That doesn't
apply to PPLs who have a current medial - they can fly
LSAs, both Experimental and Special without the
checkride and endorsement.
Arty
--- Jim Kmet <jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net> wrote:
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<jlsk1(at)frontiernet.net>
Arty, you mentioned that if you already Have a
pilots liscense, all you need
is a" proficiency checkride & an endorsement." to
fly an E-SLA" I have not
kept up with the regs that close on LSA, but I
thought Private pilots could
exercise LSA privelidges, if they were already
current, (BFR )? Could you
please verify I understood you correctly? Thanks,
Jim
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David.Lehman
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 265
Location: "Lovely" Fresno CA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
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Arty...
Would you please give us the FAR that requires the "proficiency checkride"...
Thanx...
DVD
On 12/12/06, TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com (thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com (thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com)>
Let me clarify. According to the FAA inspector who
did my airworthiness certificate, many PPL's are
suprised to find out that in order to fly an E-LSA or
S-LSA using their PPL with a driver's license (instead
of a current medical) they need a proficiency
checkride and a log book endorsement. That doesn't
apply to PPLs who have a current medial - they can fly
LSAs, both Experimental and Special without the
checkride and endorsement.
Arty
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d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
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It's the same logic they've always used. To exercise the privileges of a commercial certificate, you need a class II medical. That's good for one year. After one year, you can continue to fly operations that require a class III medical (e.g. Private)... essentially a class II reverts to a class III after one year, and is good for another year as a class III, though that's not how they word it.
Same thing here. A Private pilot with a class III medical can exercise the privileges of a Private pilot. With no medical, he can fly operations that don't require a medical, i.e. SP privileges... with the attendant restrictions. It DOES seem kinda silly.
Hmmm... what if you have plenty of logged time in a LSA while flying with a Private and a medical, do you need to get a logbook endorsement the day your medical expires? I think your BFR is good for both, though.
-Dana
At 07:17 PM 12/12/2006, David Lehman wrote:
| Quote: | Arty...
Would you please give us the FAR that requires the "proficiency checkride"...
Thanx...
DVD
On 12/12/06, TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com (thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com (thewanderingwench(at)yahoo.com)>
Let me clarify. According to the FAA inspector who did my airworthiness certificate, many PPL's are suprised to find out that in order to fly an E-LSA or S-LSA using their PPL with a driver's license (instead of a current medical) they need a proficiency checkride and a log book endorsement. That doesn't apply to PPLs who have a current medial - they can fly LSAs, both Experimental and Special without the checkride and endorsement.
Arty
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David.Lehman
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: "Lovely" Fresno CA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: To Transition to E-LSA or Not |
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Dana...
Your last statement covers it, the BFR is all that is required...
David
On 12/12/06, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)> wrote: [quote]It's the same logic they've always used. To exercise the privileges of a commercial certificate, you need a class II medical. That's good for one year. After one year, you can continue to fly operations that require a class III medical ( e.g. Private)... essentially a class II reverts to a class III after one year, and is good for another year as a class III, though that's not how they word it.
Same thing here. A Private pilot with a class III medical can exercise the privileges of a Private pilot. With no medical, he can fly operations that don't require a medical, i.e. SP privileges... with the attendant restrictions. It DOES seem kinda silly.
Hmmm... what if you have plenty of logged time in a LSA while flying with a Private and a medical, do you need to get a logbook endorsement the day your medical expires? I think your BFR is good for both, though.
-Dana
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